14th May '05 - SH22 ** PICS AND VIDEOS

[Sheep Dags]

hahahaha mella yella fella that hilarious!

[DEATH_INC.]

Shit,take a fucken chill pill you guys!
All these fuckups/crashes go on all the time,by riders of all levels of experience.
Falling off in the gravel is nothing,it can happen to anyone.
Running wide on corners?Who here hasn't done it?I'll be the first to call you a fucken liar!Bikes do it,cages do it,trucks do it.Occasionally people die,sad,but it happens,not on purpose,but that's why its called an accident!
The guy who took to the gravel/grass to avoid a head-on, good riding to avoid a tricky situation.Again EVERYONE has the odd bit of brain fade and does something not entirely smart, and this guy survived it.
The crash I attended was on a corner that caught me out a few times till I'd done 22 a few times,it's tricky and I can't say I was surprised where I was picking them up from.

You can all fuck off and leave MR alone too,he does a great job organising these things and getting everyone together for a ride.The pace he rides at(and ts too)he's out of sight after 2 corners so no-one's following his lines or speed.....

Cut all the bitching out,we come here to enjoy the company of our fellow bikers.Some made mistakes,they hopefully learnt from this so lets give it a rest.

I'll suggest at this point that someone starts a post with some CONSTRUCTIVE riding tips for noobs,not how to go fast,but safety tips and get one of the mods to sticky it.

Nuff said.

[bugjuice]

I really think this has all gone a bit out of proportion now, and on for a bit long..
no one remember the ride MR organised without a single hitch down the same road, and everyone who went, came back?
the n00b ride.
Everyone is repsonsible for the way they ride. They need to ride in their zone, they need to learn this. They is you. Not a 'n00b', not the guy who's been riding for 20 years, but everyone, including me. You learn it quick, or bad things happen. We've established this, I think we all need to sit back now things have been said, and let it lie. Roads are roads. Every road has corners in it, you need to learn to take corners, so it doesn't matter the name of the road. It's a road. The corners that exist on the 22 exist everywhere else you ride, they aren't just special to the 22. It's just the 22 has the most corners for it's length. Still just a road, still just corners. Bet most of you at work today rode around a few corners, ay..??

[TonyB]

Wow.
Haven’t seen the vids, as I can’t be bothered downloading the codecs, but this has been quite a read. As a southerner who has never ridden or driven 22 and never ridden with or even met any of you, I’m not qualified to comment.

BUT, it sounds like the crashes were avoidable, so maybe we need to have a riding tips page. Not a forum, but a tips page vetted and approved by skilled and experienced riders. I’ve been riding for 15 years, but I’m still learning and improving- sometimes I even get worse- and I fully expect to continue learning until I stop riding. About six months ago someone started something similar, but the final result was never posted in an easily accessable and obvious spot. We could pick the best tips from sources like Twist of The Wrist etc and pool them all together in one spot. Nothing too technical- just the basics. What do you all think?

Probably the single most useful thing I have yet read is about reading the Vanishing Point. It sounds to me as though some of the crashes occurred because people didn’t know about this simple technique for ‘reading’ a corner…

[Krayy]

Listen, this thread is supposed to be for "Pics and Videos". So can the rider who yesterday photographed the magnificent line-up of 40 bikes on the side of the road at Ngaruawahia please upload them here immediately! Pretty please.

Ask and ye shall recieve (yet another Saturday night without access to a computer and some quality time spent with the kids on Sunday meant no time to upload). Now THIS is what going on a ride is all about. Who cares if you had to wait for 5 mins for some slower riders to catch up!! This line up of bikes is magnificent IMHO.

(Damn, you can only upload max size 1024x1024, so I've had to split this panorama into 3)

[Madguitarist!]

..... calling to Rickstar and have asked him respectfully if I can adopt him as a newbie and take him on some rides one on one style to help him in his riding development.......

..... to turn the negative events of the last few weeks into a big positive
ADOPT A NEWBIE !!
so there is the challenge !!

common guys lets get our shit together and move on okay

Quasi

Like that idea!

hey... you wanna adopt me too??

[Krayy]

...anyways, even though the day didnt go as smooth as i wanted, i had a great time meeting new people and learning new skills (believe me i did). Thanks Krayy for all the tips u gave me and to Jeremy, DanB, and John... we had fun didnt we? i'll see u guys when i see ya.

goodbye

You're welcome dude. I didn't mind hanging back for you guys. Gave me a chance to look at the scenery and concentrate on my lines as well as yours. For mine, I didn't think you did too bad, particularly after we stopped at that intersection before Dan had his off and went through some tips. You were keeping up a good pace after that bit until your off and for that, I reckon you're on your way. Just do what you did and keep your own pace mate.

Now, on the not too serious department, heres a couple of Kodak moments for you and Dan.

[bugjuice]

lamo - good shots Krayy..
Who's that, that managed to make a fleeting run in all your pics on the pano shots?

[Krayy]

lamo - good shots Krayy..
Who's that, that managed to make a fleeting run in all your pics on the pano shots?

Dunno, but he's f*ckin' quick ain't he?

(Note to self: Pan left to right, not right to left in future)

[Krayy]

Okay all, here's a few more from the ride. Thoughts that come from these:

"Hmm, the SV650S isn't a bad looking bike...put it on the wishlist"
"Who's 2 Smaoker doing the 'wanker' gesture to?"
"Wonder who took out the trashcan at the Autobahn?"
"Playing chicken are we?"
"MLCrisis shares a joke while some peoples check out Pyros bike-cam"
"A gaggle of bikers gather at Tuakau"

[bugjuice]

Dunno, but he's f*ckin' quick ain't he?

(Note to self: Pan left to right, not right to left in future)

it's ok, I did the same thing on a pano shot I took.. Got Eric twice. And I went from left to right.. just have to PS them out
well dun anyhoo

[sAsLEX]

lamo - good shots Krayy..
Who's that, that managed to make a fleeting run in all your pics on the pano shots?

Thats me!!! wanted to get out infront for a change!

[Krayy]

...
some of you might know, the camera mount failed me today and shook like crazy the whole trip. Its hardly watchable...

Dude, I love these vids. Did you by any chance get one of me when I passed you, just after the major roadworks we stopped at just before the Waingaro (sp?) stop? I went past then into a long left hander and wanted to see if it looks as good as it felt.

Ta

[Zed]

(yet another Saturday night without access to a computer and some quality time spent with the kids on Sunday meant no time to upload).

That's an acceptable excuse!

Tks for the good pics Krayy!

[Paul in NZ]

Well this is a fine how to do…

Sadly, the good points made by both sides are lost in a haze of emotion…. Me included and really, all this is doing is evoking a knee jerk reaction in me that is part to do with what’s happened recently and more to do with what I have learnt over the years… So I may as well throw another bucket of av gas on the fire??

Group rides? Most KB group rides are not group rides at all. They are sprints between 2 places by like minded people of various abilities and devil take the hindmost… Proper group rides mean riding together as a group and to achieve that you have to have some discipline and structure.

I have no idea on the stats but my observation over the years is that you are far more likely to see accidents in group rides that you are at any other time. I don’t care why or how but it’s just the way it is… Group riding is not only technically challenging it sets off the testicular juice in all of use (sometimes even the girls). What is more I’m just as big a tosser as the next guy when it comes to riding in a group and it all gets jiggy… So knowing that’s it is both difficult and you are likely to be tempted is no defense against the little red horned dude riding on your shoulder.

My opinion is this…… If you want to practice riding then do it on a private road, track or some other controlled environment. Unless you are prepared to go back and do the same corner time and time again the road is a waste of time as there are so many variables it is hard to just change one thing at a time.

Decide now what you want to do… Ride really fast for a few years and tell lots of stories about how hard you were or take a long term survival view and realize that this motorcycling thing is pretty cool and you would like to keep doing it the rest of your natural life….

If you want to ride as a group be VERY careful. A large group of bikes is a major hazard on the road. If you are not organized people will get hurt and the organizers could be held to account. (I’m serious about this)

When it comes down to it… Over the years I’ve seen them come and go. I’ve been abused as a ‘soft cock’ by the hard men who are now driving their wifes car and I’ve seen too many people get hurt and sometimes die from their stupid attitudes… Every time you crash… You run a serious risk of killing yourself… PERIOD… I’m not bloody kidding. I had a mate that fell off at a standstill and smacked his head on the kerb and died on the spot without a mark on him for gods sake. (he had a really nice helmet too) Accidents are uncontrolled events, have one and you are running a terrible risk no matter what you are wearing!

Your first, foremost and ONLY real responsibility to your mates is not to fall off. Second is to make sure you bike won’t fall apart, run out of gas and is in OK shape (tyres and stuff)! Once you can do all that reliably, then worry about chicken strips (lets rename these as common sense strips) and getting your bloody knee down…

We need to have a careful think about where all this goes…