14th May '05 - SH22 ** PICS AND VIDEOS

[John]

We need a thread, this is becoming an epidemic - newbies trying to keep up with the fast guys its just stupid stop trying so hard guys common

(not being mean but jezus christ!)

[Jeremy]

Mine... all mine!!

Is a bit difficult to keep up with the nimble sports bikes on it tho.

That's a seriously nice res for the photo, what's the camera model and how much did it set you back. (Things to shove on my wishlist, after saving up for a new bike).

And *cough* any chance of the rest of the photos on it being uploaded */cough*

[bugjuice]

Yep bugjuice you are right, but instead of lean (which gets newbies confused) you should be:



COUNTERSTEERING

I'm always fukin right. I agree tho, but to put it in simple terms that anyone can understand (no offence to the newbies), how would you (without getting technical) explain that to a 2 year old? Lean is what you're doing already. Countersteering will come better with practice, advice, learning and riding. but do it anyway

[Zed]

Same goes for you, get some skills and slow down egghead.

I asked after you today Quasi, someone said you had 'kiddy duty' or summat?

Would have been good if you had been on the ride. I was there and talked with these guys and they were gutted about it but positive at the same time. I think they are learning from their mistakes.

Yer it would have been good for you to be there 2day - would have been entertaining to see you slapping some heads!

Btw, they didn't think it was a race. No one rode like a lunatic today as far as I'm aware.

[Zed]

We need a thread, this is becoming an epidemic - newbies trying to keep up with the fast guys its just stupid stop trying so hard guys common

(not being mean but jezus christ!)

Who said the newbies were trying to "keep up with the fast guys" John?

and what's this about jezus christ? :unsure:

[pyrocam]

Same goes for you, get some skills and slow down egghead.

How is it that on one ride two riders ended up on the wrong side of the road with one crashing ? I will tell you why because
1/ you dont have the skills to match the speed your stupid fucken brains set you at
2/ you thought it was a race

for christ sake wake the FUCK up, you could have easily ended up in a box !!
its not a game, why do you think it is .

I reckon I will get some flak for my last two posts, but you know what I couldnt give a shit ! I am sick of hearing about Bins, close calls and the like from guys who think they can ride a bike, you cant !! you have no idea what the hell youre doing and if you dont change you will die or end up a cripple at that will be the end of it.
idiot

Ok I think I need a post.

I know that pulling over to the right hand side of the road was stupid especially on a blind corner like that. but I only heard the crash and didnt see it it and I wanted to get there as quickly as possible. but you ARE right. I should have pulled over to the left and ran back instead of finding the first off point, especially since the point I did take was a freaking ditch.

and re your point Bugjuice. yes lean lean lean, but youve seen my tires (or biscuits as the were refered to in the last ride) I really dont feel comfortable putting too much presure on such a small tire.

and also. the countersteering thing. I want someone to prove me wrong on this because I cant be right. but I come from a serious backround of pushbiking and as far as I can feel. the only time I ever turn the bars the way I want to go is when Im at or near stationary, IE. I apply pressure to the left bar to turn left. on every corner. but its the confidence to get that low that you suggest. especually on a bike like mine that bothers me.

and to stop anyone saying. well go out and try it. for the record. I will not be going on any rides for a while. after my 'near death' experience on the way back Im not going past 70k's for a while.

and once again for good measure. the back of my bike was 30-40 degree's off the road. I dont know how I survived. and I was on a pure straight btw.


*edit.
my badcorner.avi was after riding my meself. I wasnt trying to keep up withanyone. I just read the corner wrong

[SPman]

Hmm - its seems we had lots of youthful exuberance, combined with inexperience, leading to some, hopefully, fast learning curves'
Just take it quietly and smoothly out there folks. Swiftness comes with experience. Learn the right moves and let it flow from there.
We dont want any more of this http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=12054

[bugjuice]

pyro dude, your tyres will corner like hell. You've seen MR take a bike like yours and dissapear. He'll show you any time what your bike is capable of. I only mention MR as one of many who'd show you, but he's the first person I've seen over take me on my 636 on the outside of a corner with the pegs scraping the road without breaking a sweat - on an RG150.
A lowside will just send you sliding. A high side or ditch will send you flying. Which would you prefer? It might not feel the most confident, but just do it. Under the circumstances, it could be a small learning-brown-pant moment by leaning and finding out you can do it, or running wide cos you're a bit scared of the tyres letting go, only to run into the path of oncoming cars. Just for God sake dude, lean.

And please don't stop going on rides. A couple of the key things about the groups is - safety in numbers (you could bin anywhere, any time. If you're with people immediately, that's the best thing. Doesn't just happen on rides), learn from other people. What their lines, they will watch yours. Discuss wide run corners, late braking etc. From this, you will learn. By not going on rides, you are effectively cutting your self off from an unmatched wealth of talent and decades of experiance.
I wish to God that I had stumbled across KB when I first set out, but I didn't, so my learning probably came on a bit slower than it could have. And I've learnt things that I would have done differently, if I had been on KB sooner.

Just watch how you go, and ride to your abilities. The chances are, the bike has more capability than you, so you ride to what you're good at, the bike will be fine. Fron there, you build up your comfort zone, and build on it from there.. Can't stress this enough. And this isn't just to Pyro, it's to everyone who's unsure about their feet. It's all time, and it will come, so don't give up..

[FEINT]

Pyrocam, just watching your videos, the video of bad corner, if there was an oncoming car, mate you wouldn't be here anymore. This isn't a game guys, a serious accident could have occured.

Please, dont' ride beyond your capabilities, it is not worth dying for.

Ride safe. and good videos.

[John]

Who said the newbies were trying to "keep up with the fast guys" John?

and what's this about jezus christ? :unsure:

Hey no need to be ignorate about it, you know what I'm talking about - 'jezus', one who isnt 'jesus'.

[johnsf1980]

That's a seriously nice res for the photo, what's the camera model and how much did it set you back. (Things to shove on my wishlist, after saving up for a new bike).

And *cough* any chance of the rest of the photos on it being uploaded */cough*

Here ya go

Its a Kodak cx7430 and set me back 270

[Zed]

Hey no need to be ignorate about it, you know what I'm talking about

I wasn't being ignorant about it John. I think the statement you made about the "newbies trying to keep up with the fast guys" was incorrect! They weren't.

Now stop being a twerp.

[John]

I wasn't being ignorant about it John. I think the statement you made about the "newbies trying to keep up with the fast guys" was incorrect! They weren't.

Now stop being a twerp.

erm, it was a generalised statement - "this is becoming an epidemic" i.e applying it to a larger picture that you are obvious unaware or unwilling to accept.

[johnsf1980]

The newbies were not trying to keep up with the fast guys.

For quite a bit of the way on SH22 I was the very last rider right behind all of them and we were atleast 15 - 20 mins behind the fast guys from what Ive heard of the amount of time they waited for us at stops.

[Zed]

erm, it was a generalised statement - "this is becoming an epidemic" i.e applying it to a larger picture that you are obvious unaware or unwilling to accept.

I think you should quit now while you're ahead dude.