14th May '05 - SH22 ** PICS AND VIDEOS

**Blakamin** · 15th May 2005, 12:56

Originally Posted by bugjuice

Mike, agree with you on your comments.
Reminds me of the other month coming back from National Park/Taupo weekend event (still fukin rocks), and I was (to my amazement) up there with the 'big boys' such as WT, dss3 and a couple of others

lol... look at R1 aaron and his attempt to keep up with "jimmy the legend"!!! fuck that!! i'm never gunna try to keep up with them boys....

Use you fucking head people!!! who cares if you ride "slow"... as long as you get there!!!!!!

**Jeremy** · 15th May 2005, 13:25

Originally Posted by Motoracer

Quick sumary:

Cheers for coming everyone, you n00bs as well

!! Thank you to the majority of you for riding safely and not bininnig it. To the people who binned. You are all VERY lucky. If I think there is a need for me to say something to someone regarding the bins, I will PM them as it would be more appropriate to do so.

I reckon this is the last of the "Ride for all" ride. From next time it will definetly be a good idea to plan rides bassed on skill level and pace levels. Variation is definetly good for people to learn from but if there are vast differences, problems may arise. However I don't think I could have avoided the crashes that happened today with better planing. Crash #1 and Crash#2 were very slow speed crashes and all of us Me, Two smoker, vladi etc etc were BEHIND the n00bs anyway for crash #2, so they weren't trying to catch up!!!! The bend was tricky and I think he didn't know what to do in a decreasing radius turn due to lack of experience and overshot it. Typical n00b mistake. There has been pleanty of great advises put up already about how to avoid such mistakes again, so I won't repeat that here.

Also there were so many riders so it's hard to say who was doing what but the n00b of the day award goes to Jeremy on the GN250!

Does that make me the n00biest of the n00bs or the other way around? Well at least it's better than being voted a strumpet :P

**Motoracer** · 15th May 2005, 13:48

Originally Posted by ricksta

This is what i said before deciding wether to go or not...

I appologise with me making the comments of "load of crap" to the opinion shared by your mates of SH22 not being suitable for n00bs. It's just that, I had no idea of how much of inexperience we were talking about. I didn't know that you were at that much of an early stage into your riding. I was there too once, and I was just as vunrable to crashes etc so I fully understannd the situation you were in. This only became apprant to me when we rode through the twisty sections before our first stop. That is why I had sujested for some to head back. It's good that you guys came along though cause after your crashes you have learnt even if it was the hard way around. Let's just be thankfull that no one was hurt and keep the things we learnt from our and others mistakes in our mind so that such mistakes will not be repeated in the future.

Ricksta, everyone in here means well. No one wants you to leave. Please read through all the coments put up in this thread and others reagarding crashes etc and take all the good out of it as much as you can. Cause a lot of it is great advise! I know it's a bit hard when you are being called a whatever but hey that was a reality check for you, cause crashin is a very serious matter and sometimes some people take it far too lightly. Some of us are bit emotional on the subject as Flyin passed away by making very similar n00b mistakes and since we do care for you, people are just sharing their concerns or "telling you off". Live and learn man.

**Motoracer** · 15th May 2005, 14:18

Originally Posted by Jeremy

Does that make me the n00biest of the n00bs or the other way around? Well at least it's better than being voted a strumpet :P

Lol, na man you did real well.

P.S. Blakamin: You'd have to be the biggest fuken wanker on this site! Put your emotions aside and get some facts that have already been posted through your head!

If anyone other than Blakamin reckons I was to be blamed then please come forward and I will gladly accpet it.

You weren't there and you aren't even trying to understand the situation, so why bother to coment about it then?

If you didn't know, everyone was riding at their own pace and generally having a good time. Read my fuken write up if you want the details regarding what happened. Ricksta as he said was NOT "Trying to FUKEN keep up"!!! He was doing his own thing and ran off the road on his own. Are you telling me that you have never ever made any riding errors while doing a solo? If you haven't then fine, most people do make errors even when riding on their own.

Me riding quick would have possibly killed a n00b? How is that my friend? While I personally took the responcibility of looking after them, I rode at their pace. When I handed the responcibility to look after them to another experienced rider, I was free to do my own thing cause they were taken care of. Do you really think I was going quick while leading the n00bs???

Do you own KB or something? If not then fuck off. I can organise a KB ride when ever I want and it is upto the individual people if they would like to join me or not. I have met great people through KB and all of us fast KB riders usually do have private rides together. Howeve the main aspect of KB and group rides is meeting people for me. Specially meeting new people is exciting, that is why I'd bother with a group ride really. That is why I invited everyone to come along, for a change so that everyone can get to know each other. Fast riders would get to meet new riders and vv where in normal circumstances, they would have never met cause of their differnet riding speeds.

Everything did go according to plan as far as I could see. If you can host a ride for 40+ riders and and tell me that you can garuntee a ride without ANY crashes, then good fucken luck to you sir!!

**Blakamin** · 15th May 2005, 14:22

aww... FFS MR, i wasn't having a go at you personally... grow up you silly cunt!
Down here a guy got buried... why? coz he was tryin to keep up... get off your ego and stop thinking you're a fucking legend before you end up as a statistic as well... you are human.. you are the one I picked because YOU admitted stupid passing prtactices. YOU might do it on a track... keep it there... not everyone knows how to react whilst being passed.... keep it off the road and grow up you stupid cunt!!!

**Aitch** · 15th May 2005, 14:26

I had a ball! Only saw one slow speed crash, braking in gravel, so I can't comment on the others, but the ride was a great way for me and my new bike to get to know each other better. I had a fright early on, went into a corner a little too fast, but made it anyway so after that I took corners at my own speed and made up ground on the straight bits. If I held anyone up I'm sorry. (Big black bike) I had to carry on from Hamilton, and came home this afternoon up 1b from just south of Cambridge. Cornering felt a whole lot more natural today, and the bike just felt lighter and easier to ride.
And waht a buzz it was riding in a big mob!!! Gotta do it again, what's on in a fortnight?
As for 22 not being suitable for noobs, I have to disagree. As long as they can keep most of their testosterone in the bottle, and think about what they're doing I reckon it's a great ride. This ride wasn't specifically for noobs, maybe we need to think about seperating big groups like this into two seperate rides based on ability and desired speed?
See you guys all again soon.

**Blakamin** · 15th May 2005, 14:33

you know what MR? I give up... you can keep riding like you're immortal and when you fuck up... I dont care... I know now, after this little lesson, not to refer people to KB anymore.... I refered my brother-in-laws mrs to this site this morning coz she wanted people to ride with, but if it means riding with cunts like you... I take it back...

I quit... the sticker is comin off my bike and you and your racing in streets can get fucked.... I'm outta here

**Two Smoker** · 15th May 2005, 14:59

Originally Posted by Blakamin

ok... as a kiwibiker I think people should ride at their own pace... If your new, relax and take it easy... if you're fast... dont invite new people on your ride... MR, if you wanna do what you do, keep it on the track or keep it with you and who-ever.... DON'T call it a KB ride and then bitch when "n00bs" turn up! it is a hi-way... and there are always other road users... get over it!!

N00bs, if you cant ride and learn, dont.... stay away from much faster riders... it's better to be alive and slow than trying to be "da man" and being fuckin dead!!

He called a KB ride, he said newbies are welcome, BUT they are required to do 100kmh due to the motorway speeds and open road riding. They did not do this, so it was refered that they turn back. People SHOULD ride at their own pace, i rode at my own pace, and im very sorry that my personal safe pace (safe meaning calculating risks possible hazards, times to react etc) is a hell of a lot faster than everyone elses. I have alot more pride saying that i did a 1:09.75 around Pukekohe than saying "did you see me pass that R1???" I never say "look at me i passed that R1"

Its the riders responsibility to ride at their own pace, why should i ride at 80kmh just to stop others keeping up with me? I shouldnt. It should be their decision NOT to keep up with me.

Me personally i know im Human, some people dont believe me, but i used to ride alot faster than i do now on the road. I dont do that now because i dont want to become a statistic, i want to live for the next raceday.

I believe that KB is a great place, and KB rides are great. There is no reason to feel that you should have to "keepup" due to the fact that i and other fast riders ALWAYS wait at stops for slower riders.

Now personally why the fuck should i go on Newbie rides and pass on my knowledge about riding safely??? If all im going to get is basically (since you changed your post and made it a general comment) being called a cunt, for riding at my pace???

WELL FUCK YOU GUYS THEN!!! THIS WAS MY FIRST KB RIDE IN MONTHS, AND NOW ITS MY FUCKING LAST!!!

**enigma51** · 15th May 2005, 15:01

Chill out people. Been reading this and almost fell off my chair what is wrong with you people Yes its not a race track yes people were doing silly things yes people are angry and Flyin has just past away but getting upset and pissed off because a few people had a few falls is not they way to treat this. What I hope is that the guys that had moments learned from it.

**Aitch** · 15th May 2005, 15:13

Then count to 10 a few times.
It appears that some poele have some very strong feeling about the organisation and execution of yesterday's run. These were generally posted with some restraint. Unfortunately others took exception and/ or personal offence at the comments and said so. The thread rapidly degenerated into an exercise in throwing toys out of the cot!
Personally I enjoyed the run and thought it was well organised. Orgainsers of runs can't be help responsible for the actions of all those there. All they can do is make the effort to get the run set up and assume that people will ride safely.
I'd suggest that anyone tempted to fly into e-print as soon as they take offence should take a moment to consider the intention behind the offending post, and also ponder on whether any criticsm is warranted. THEN wait a few minutes before you hit the keys......
I like this site, most folks on here are decent, responsible human beings. Don't wreck it just because yourfeeling are hurt....

**justsomeguy** · 15th May 2005, 15:21

Originally Posted by Blakamin

you know what MR? I give up... you can keep riding like you're immortal and when you fuck up... I dont care... I know now, after this little lesson, not to refer people to KB anymore.... I refered my brother-in-laws mrs to this site this morning coz she wanted people to ride with, but if it means riding with cunts like you... I take it back...

I quit... the sticker is comin off my bike and you and your racing in streets can get fucked.... I'm outta here

Hey Blakamin I'm pretty much a newbie rider and I've riden with MR a few times and watched him on the track.

When he passes people doing 120-140+ on 22 it may seem dangerous to the person being passed. But for someone who is used to passing people at 240+ making a 120-140kmph pass isn't a serious life threatening move it's well in his comfort zone. It's relatively not something to worry about. Especially when no one is in danger. The slower rider has TO DO NOTHING.

And by the time you've realised that you have been passed the fellas are far out of sight already.

**250learna** · 15th May 2005, 15:29

man downloading these is so painfuly slow, nice quality tho

Al · 15th May 2005, 15:29

Who would think that one KB ride would spark so much emotion?
I didn't join the ride, but by the sounds of it the vast majority had a good time.
People go on rides to ride, not to set an example to "noobs" or to teach "noobs" correct lines, etc..... There were some that volunteered to lead the "slower" riders, good on them for sacrificing their addrenaline rush to help newer riders!
To rant and rave about people traveling fast, etc is not doing much for anything or anyone, I am sure Ricksta has had enough for a while and that this whole issue has been thrashed about so much that it is now past the "use-by date".
Emotions are running high because of Flyin (RIP buddy), but life does carry on..

My 2c worth

Al

**FEINT** · 15th May 2005, 15:31

I don't want get involved with what is going on in this thread.

1) You can't hold the organiser responsible. Organisers have no control over the riders actions.

2) The thread stated that some riders don't get to ride very often and they will be riding fast. It was stated. If others chose to come, they know what they are getting themselves in to.

3) All are welcome for the ride. That means anybody can turn up (even newbies) but at the end of the day, everybody has to look after themselves.

4) everyone is entitled to ride at the pace they choose, after all, it is their life that they are putting at risk. If you don't feel comfortable, slow down.

All I am going to say is, you all have to watch your own riding out there. At the end of the day, it is the individual rider that has to take responsibility for himself / herself.

Just remember that if you bin, it is YOU that is going to hurt... not somebody else.

Newbies, if there was another car heading towards you when you crossed that centre line, I wouldn't want to see what would have happened.

**Hitcher** · 15th May 2005, 15:40

Jesus wept. This is one of the reasons why Mrs H and I rarely do group rides. They usually end in tears.

And while it may well be the inexperienced riders who end up offing themselves and getting hurt (or worse), the experienced riders in the group need to take a good hard look at themselves and their behaviours as well.

Group rides are intimidating. Valentino Rossi and co generally take off into the distance, shiftlights flashing as they go. The 250RR gang generally gives pursuit. The old farts and other blouses bring up the rear, to be sniffed at when they arrive at rendezvous points a few minutes after everybody else. Some experienced riders like flouncing their "skills" at the less able. These "skills" occassionally feature wheelies and stoppies, overtaking moves that are entirely sub-optimal, and flagrant and reckless disregard for road conditions and the mental well-being of other road users.

It's all very well to say "ride at your own pace", but that's not the expectation on some group rides.

We all need to get our collective shit together here. Our first objective must be to get to wherever we're going alive and unscathed. Our second-most important objective should be to enjoy the ride. Peer pressure and generally irresponsible behaviour will see more of our number dead or maimed. The effect that this has on family, loved ones and fellow bikers who give a shit is devastating.

Think about it. Please.