14th May '05 - SH22 ** PICS AND VIDEOS

**Hitcher** · 15th May 2005, 15:42

Originally Posted by FEINT

I don't want get involved with what is going on in this thread.

1) You can't hold the organiser responsible. Organisers have no control over the riders actions.

2) The thread stated that some riders don't get to ride very often and they will be riding fast. It was stated. If others chose to come, they know what they are getting themselves in to.

3) All are welcome for the ride. That means anybody can turn up (even newbies) but at the end of the day, everybody has to look after themselves.

4) everyone is entitled to ride at the pace they choose, after all, it is their life that they are putting at risk. If you don't feel comfortable, slow down.

All I am going to say is, you all have to watch your own riding out there. At the end of the day, it is the individual rider that has to take responsibility for himself / herself.

Just remember that if you bin, it is YOU that is going to hurt... not somebody else.

Newbies, if there was another car heading towards you when you crossed that centre line, I wouldn't want to see what would have happened.

I entirely disagree with nearly every point you make. Please read my earlier post.

**SlashWylde** · 15th May 2005, 15:51

Originally Posted by Blakamin

aww... FFS MR, i wasn't having a go at you personally... grow up you silly cunt!
Down here a guy got buried... why? coz he was tryin to keep up... get off your ego and stop thinking you're a fucking legend before you end up as a statistic as well... you are human.. you are the one I picked because YOU admitted stupid passing prtactices. YOU might do it on a track... keep it there... not everyone knows how to react whilst being passed.... keep it off the road and grow up you stupid cunt!!!

Mate, you're out of line. That kind of talk isn't called for.

**FROSTY:Me** · 15th May 2005, 15:52

MR and Blakamin--I concider both of you guys to be good freinds so both of ya just cool off Please.
MR --I have watched your riding both on and off the track You don't need me to tell you Youre a fucken good rider. Im comfortable riding with you at your pace.
The problem as I see it is that Whilst you are well inside your comfort zone passing less experienced guys and gals THEY AINT.
I know what kinda guy you are and that you'd feel like shit if someone had an accident because they freaked out by being passed (in their mind) too close by you.
I'd suggest its time to review not so much how we ride but when we ride hard.
As I said MR --any time ,any day Ill ride with you Lets just temper the more exuberant riding when its a general ride.

**Madmax** · 15th May 2005, 16:01

mabey we should take the new guys out to kawakawa bay
see who is up to going through the tight bits ahead of time and do the loop.
just a thought

**Hitcher** · 15th May 2005, 16:06

Originally Posted by Madmax

mabey we should take the new guys out to kawakawa bay
see who is up to going through the tight bits ahead of time and do the loop.
just a thought

You just don't get it, do you?

**sedge** · 15th May 2005, 16:14

Man I hate this crap... It comes down to maturity... The young bloods must prove themselves by running with the men to become accepted in to the tribe.

Stupid human nature... You wont ever change it.

Couple of things I would like everybody to say to themselves whilst riding;

1. My bike and riding ability are not my penis, I do not need to compare the length with others.

2. My most important responsibility is to come home to my family in one piece.

Sedge.

NC · 15th May 2005, 16:25

Originally Posted by sedge

Man I hate this crap... It comes down to maturity... .

Maybe it's time to talk to a mate of yours about maturity. Cause he doesn't listen to me.

**Devil** · 15th May 2005, 16:56

Looks like it was a good move heading off and doing SH16 by myself.

Some of the comments here really make me glad I didn't get my bike licence till I was in my 20's.

For those here who are less experienced, (the word noob seems to be being used a little too derogatory at the moment), the key to road riding, whether alone or in a group is self control. No road is unsuitable for anyone, the longer you spend around kb the more you'll be able to pick the tone of the ride by checking out who's going on it. This is exactly how I choose what rides I parttake in. I believe for this reason it is why I have never been on a ride where there has been an accident!
The comment about doing a road by yourself is a good one. In the group situation, even if you are aware of it or not, you'll quite often be travelling faster than if you were by yourself. More time on the road will give you the skills to realise this and make the appropriate corrective actions before things turn pear shaped.

I do worry about those who learn to ride before, or after little time on the road (with a car for example) because the above sort of senses just haven't developed. Common sense goes a long way when you're on two wheels.

For the inexperienced riders, your task for the next few months is to learn to ride smoothly. Keep your brain on while you're riding, even if its on the motorway, around suburban streets or out on the open road, make an effort to be smooth in all the tasks that you have to perform on the bike. Lane changes, starting, stopping, choosing the line you want for a particular corner. Nothing should ever have to be rushed.

Ride safe people.

Mr Devil.

**crashe** · 15th May 2005, 17:03

Originally Posted by FROSTY

The problem as I see it is that Whilst you are well inside your comfort zone passing less experienced guys and gals THEY AINT.
I know what kinda guy you are and that you'd feel like shit if someone had an accident because they freaked out by being passed (in their mind) too close by you. I'd suggest its time to review not so much how we ride but when we ride hard.

Frosty - I agree with you about the faster riders zapping past the slow riders at great speed. As a slower rider, there have been times when a fast rider zooms past me.... I havent seen them come up from behind me at all and all of a sudden WHIZZZZZZZ they fly past.... Now that can scare the shits out of a slower rider. It can cause the slower rider to wobble a bit.

So if the faster riders want to fly past the slower riders, allow the slower rider to know they are coming up.

Faster riders - Think back to when you first got on a bike and you were slow and how you felt when a faster rider whizzzzzzed past you at great speed.

But can we all take a few deep breaths and chill out... I think everyone has learnt from yesterday's ride.

When I am able to, I want to be back out there riding with you all again.
Ride safe and keep on smiling.

**thehollowmen** · 15th May 2005, 17:42

I don't think we should be encouraging the young ones to be riding above and beyond their abilities, especially when they're not on the track.

Cameras are a bad idea on the road, you aren't concentrating on the road and do stupid things. Even people not on the road do stupid things with cameras, hae you seen all those webcam photos of people infrount of their computer alone late at night?

Please people, take care. Learn from what you've done here and try and organise a track day for the cameras and silly behavour.

**BigB** · 15th May 2005, 17:45

I give up

Having been a long time member, I've been on lots of rides. I don't post much but this just gives me the shits.

Every time someone get's on a bike, they alone are reasponsible for there actions. No one made them go on the ride, we must take responsablity for our own actions not blame others.

I for one had a great day, yes I went fast, yes I had moments but the only one I have to look to is myself.

Big ups to motor racer for a great day out.

cheers

**Zed** · 15th May 2005, 18:01

Listen, this thread is supposed to be for "Pics and Videos". So can the rider who yesterday photographed the magnificent line-up of 40 bikes on the side of the road at Ngaruawahia please upload them here immediately! Pretty please.

**Marknz** · 15th May 2005, 18:17

we have a lot of people in this forum who don't want to learn from the experiences of others.

Just because you've raced on the track, in what ever class you like, doesn't make you experienced on the road. I'm lucky enough to have raced (buckets and forgotten era) and done ride days with supersport and superbikes on some of the best race tracks in the world, but all the guys in Wellington that have ridden with me know that I don't ride on the road anything like I do on the track. Nine times out of 10 I will be the last guy to the destination... but I always get there.

Noobs, find out who the experienced riders are in your area, and ride with them for a while. Don't go riding with racers who treat the road like the track.

And don't stop riding on roads like 22 because it might be too difficult. Just ride them at the right pace and you will learn heaps. The tight and twisty roads are the best ones to learn on.

Getting your knee down on the road is bullshit. If you do that, you're riding too hard for the environment, simple as that.

Likewise if you start scraping the pegs... it usually means you're about to crash.

If you're going to organise rides, do so bearing in mind the standards and experience of the various members, and plan accordingly.

Hey MR, I've met you before and I'll probably see you at Manfield this weekend, so you should know that what I have to say now is not meant with any ill intent... there is no need at all to be cutting up junior riders with riding that you feel is calculated and within your own limits. The road is public and it's not all about your own percieved limits, it's about those road users around you and the limits that are set for them. And did I read somewhere that your bike has no speedo? Why?

Just some random thoughts for you all. Ride on and chill out.

**Madmax** · 15th May 2005, 18:27

Originally Posted by Hitcher

You just don't get it, do you?

get what?? if i wanted to put up with this shit, i would have i am just plane pissed off now,f**k i am not even going to reply
why bother to put up with this shit see you later