Mining and Labour trying to fuck it

[avgas]

at least there's a political party that doesn't fuckup and is completely on the ball somewhere.

Even Guy Fawkes fucked up. And I trust him out of any polly in the world.
Trust anyone as far as you can throw them - and it seems the beehive demographic is getting fatter.
FYI I am a skinny white dude, so you could almost trust me as much as a dwarf.

[SPman]

Yeah, 'cos ad hom is so much easier than actually explaining where the fucking jobs are going to come from. Weak.

What you and your ilk might fail to apprehend is that my political views are far from ideological. I have lots in common with the greens, true, which you likely would balk at (or maybe I just see what the greens could be), but I also have a lot in common with what ACT should be (and isn't, by a country mile), and what Labour should be (and isn't either). What I have no time for is stupid, populist, short-sighted, incompetent, undemocratic, ideological arses like the fools we have in Wellington at the moment. And I do feel that if I'm paying the fuckers hundreds of thousands every year they could at least pretend to do a decent job of earning it.

I'm not a die-hard Labourite, but they are the lesser of two evils at the moment. A second term of this bunch would screw this country up beyond repair.



A hypocrite, then.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to rainman again.

I wouldn't call Brett a hypocrite...I guess, like a lot of people trying to make a living in a small business, he would like a Government that allows him to prosper, (as do we all), and, being disillusioned with what Labour did, or didn't achieve, would hope that the Nat's, and ACT, professing to be the party that helps businesses, would do a better job of it. It must be galling, to start to realise they are an even bigger lying pack of clueless wombats than Labour were......

[Pascal]

How many of the fiercely partisan opponents to anything the current government does have actually read the proposal? And how many of you are simply listening to what the media is spoon feeding you?

Have a read here. See if you actually learn something.

[mashman]

Even Guy Fawkes fucked up. And I trust him out of any polly in the world.
Trust anyone as far as you can throw them - and it seems the beehive demographic is getting fatter.
FYI I am a skinny white dude, so you could almost trust me as much as a dwarf.

PAH! Dirty little bastards, rapin the land by day and abusing the housekeeper by night... (i have thrown a dwarf before... mate of mine at school... used to lob him across the social area... fuck it was funny... bleeding hearts, bad men bad men put him down... "Calum, you're putting on a little weight, it's getting harder to throw you these days"... ahhh the innocent days )

[mashman]

How many of the fiercely partisan opponents to anything the current government does have actually read the proposal? And how many of you are simply listening to what the media is spoon feeding you?

Have a read here. See if you actually learn something.

You're shitting me right. I never made it past the first page when it said "The opinions and proposals contained in this document are for discussion purposes only and do not
necessarily reflect Government policy."...

[Pascal]

You're shitting me right. I never made it past the first page when it said "The opinions and proposals contained in this document are for discussion purposes only and do not necessarily reflect Government policy."...

Then did you know that although they are proposing removing 7,058 hectares, they are also proposing adding 12,400 hectares to Section 4? A net gain.

This whole thing should be considered carefully. It should be thought out a lot more than the current media beatup and the mish-mash from our resident Labour / Green party supporters. And those who support the government should keep them honest so they don't fuck with our green image or touch areas that are best preserved. Like Great Barrier.

The document also covers standardising on rules and regulations around this, ensuring that any applications go through a uniform process, etc. This all seems sensible. And the removal from Section 4 does not translate to "mined the fuck out". It means that applications for investigation and exploration will be considered on a case by case basis. Where they are looking to standardise the rules.

But best of all? From March 2010 to May 2010 you get to have your say. Refer to page 36 onwards. It gives you options on how to handle your submission to the process.

[mashman]

Then did you know that although they are proposing removing 7,058 hectares, they are also proposing adding 12,400 hectares to Section 4? A net gain.

This whole thing should be considered carefully. It should be thought out a lot more than the current media beatup and the mish-mash from our resident Labour / Green party supporters. And those who support the government should keep them honest so they don't fuck with our green image or touch areas that are best preserved. Like Great Barrier.

The document also covers standardising on rules and regulations around this, ensuring that any applications go through a uniform process, etc. This all seems sensible. And the removal from Section 4 does not translate to "mined the fuck out". It means that applications for investigation and exploration will be considered on a case by case basis. Where they are looking to standardise the rules.

But best of all? From March 2010 to May 2010 you get to have your say. Refer to page 36 onwards. It gives you options on how to handle your submission to the process.

Honestly Pascal... I'm pretty much done on the subject... The only sensible reason to go mining is to create jobs... Unfortunately mines don't last forever and leave scars behind them that aren't just land based... but noone cares because it won't affect them... it's just another short term strategy to generate income for people and swell the govt coffers, line a few pockets, create a community etc... that's the idea and a good one at that... on the face of it yes, IF that's what you expect of your government... I happen to think there are more pressing issues than money and giving people short term "secure" jobs... I expect more from my government... there are other ways to level the playing field... but that would make everyone rich and not just the select few and that just can't be allowed to happen apparantly... government for the people my arse... mining is just another side show... yes I buy into it under the premise that one person may read something that convinces them that dishonest governments are nothing but legalised thieves... and that tomorrow, someone else might "change" their stance... now people being forced into labor to earn money to live sounds very much like slavery to me... Maybe it's just a bad hair day lol...

[Pascal]

there are other ways to level the playing field... but that would make everyone rich and not just the select few now people being forced into labor to earn money to live sounds very much like slavery to me

I'm trying to understand what you've written, but those two snippets keep on getting in the way. Maybe tomorrow will be a better hair day.

[Quasievil]

You obviously missed the bit that mining might take a few years to get going (no InstaMine!). And there's an election next year, when hopefully the country will wake up from it's bout of temporary insanity and kick these useless, lying, bastards to touch.

Just a Note, Phil Goof caught lying today about his trip to Great Barrier to preach to the lifestyle dole bludgers, he said the plane was chartered and the media paid there own way, this was not the case.........they where invited no charge for the grandstanding media show.

What you say to that?

another point Under Labour rule (the word"rule" used correctly) 218 consents where given to mine in conservation land........what you say to that? or specifically the Pike coal Mine which is in a National Park, that was labours work.

your turn

[Quasievil]

The only sensible reason to go mining is to create jobs...

ummmm and this is bad how??

it's just another short term strategy to generate income for people and swell the govt coffers, line a few pockets, create a community etc... that's the idea and a good one at that... on the face of it yes,

Errrr Yeah and whats the point?

that's what you expect of your government... I happen to think there are more pressing issues than money and giving people short term "secure" jobs... I expect more from my government...

Where do you get short term from, Huntly ,Waihi (my local mines) have been there for years and year and have whole communities built around them sustaining them and their families, how is this bad?
What did you expect from your government.......Im intrigued

are other ways to level the playing field... but that would make everyone rich and not just the select few and that just can't be allowed to happen apparantly

Like what ??

for the people my arse... mining is just another side show... yes I buy into it under the premise that one person may read something that convinces them that dishonest governments are nothing but legalised thieves...

Hardly fair, they need to make the coin to pay for a squillion things, not least of all Labour voting lifestyle bludgers.
Sideshow?? you shitting me, have you been to Australia lately Im fairly sure they have a massive industry around mining not to mention a very significant population employed in it.
Mining is a viable and good industry, managed correctly its a winner for NZ

and that tomorrow, someone else might "change" their stance... now people being forced into labor to earn money to live sounds very much like slavery to me... Maybe it's just a bad hair day lol...

Forced into Labour ??

Oh dear Mashman

[Skyryder]

You can come up with all the reasons why mining should take place. I can only come up with one.

This land was set aside in 'perpertuity' so that it would remain in its pristine state for New Zealanders to enjoy and appreciate now and in the future.

Key sees NZ as a resource to be exploited with little regard to the values that our National Parks demonstrate to the uniqueness of New Zealand

Skyryder

[Quasievil]

You can come up with all the reasons why mining should take place. I can only come up with one.

This land was set aside in 'perpertuity' so that it would remain in its pristine state for New Zealanders to enjoy and appreciate now and in the future.

Key sees NZ as a resource to be exploited with little regard to the values that our National Parks demonstrate to the uniqueness of New Zealand

Skyryder

So did Helen, 218 consents given in conservation land

And NZ is a resource thats why we came here, nothing wrong with using the resource appropriately and carefully, if its done right big deal

Following C n P from
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/03/mi...er_labour.html

Mining under Labour

Quoting a release from Gerry Brownlee:

Labour’s hypocrisy over mining has been laid bare, says Energy and Resources Minister Gerry Brownlee, after new figures released by Crown Minerals today showed Labour approved more than 200 permits for mining on the Conservation Estate.

“This from the party that launched a campaign yesterday saying it was explicitly opposed to mining conservation areas – not just Schedule Four land, but conservation land full stop,” Mr Brownlee said.

Labour’s pledge of opposition to mining on conservation land is similar to their ax the tax campaign.

200 permits in just nine years!

“But if that wasn’t enough, we also have the release today of information that Labour approved a mining consent on land considered special enough to warrant Schedule Four status, the very behaviour Phil Goff has been decrying as unthinkable.

“It turns out Labour approved a permit in 2006 for mining gold, garnets and other gemstones on 168.5 hectares of land at Hart Creek, inside Paparoa National Park.

And they mined national parks.

“The information shows Labour were happy for mining to take place on 21,961 hectares of land, meanwhile the government is seeking approval to release a mere 7,058 hectares of Schedule Four land, of which as little as 500 hectares might be mined,” Mr Brownlee said.

My view is that mining applications should be decided on a case by case basis – as both Labour and National have done in the past. Economic benefits need to be weighed up against conservation value for each site.

Figures released by Crown Minerals [attached] show 218 permits were approved under a Labour government for mining inside Department of Conservation land between December 1999 and October 2008.

That is an average of one permit every fortnight was issued under Labour for mining on conservation land. I repeat one permit every fortnight.

[T.W.R]

Where do you get short term from, Huntly ,Waihi (my local mines) have been there for years and year and have whole communities built around them sustaining them and their families, how is this bad?

Huntly is opencast coal extraction from the existing underground mines that were there from year dot....that's why most of Huntly east is subsiding because of the underground mine shafts that exist under the town most of the houses east of the main road on the flat land are worth nicks because of the subsidence issues. the opencast area northwest of the town have created disgusting big holes that for the sakes of enviromental issues have been flooded and turned into reserves which coinsidentally took years to get anywhere near sustaining any decent form of life.

a lot of the exisiting mines in operation like Maori Farm 1 & Maori Farm 2, Glenafton etc are disgusting pits that'll take decades to heal if they ever do.

The majority of workers at the Huntly mines aren't local BTW

[avgas]

The only sensible reason to go mining is to create jobs...

Never mind fixing the roads, building generators, maintaining parks, starting eco-commerce............100's of jobs that could be created under a government, all requiring the same skills in the workforce.......
but alas NOTHING gets done here without private enterprise. I feel sorry for wellington's rail - Auckland is getting a good dose of infrastructure.
Do you think the Govt would mine if it wasn't for the money grabbing private firms?

[avgas]

Quasi just because something was done in the past - does not make it right.
How would you like it if you weren't able to import your motorbike gear?
Every day something changes, the thing is to hedge your bets on the "good for all changes" not the "good for some".
AE are realising this now, and trying to build an empire as a holiday destination. We should do the same.
Leave the gold for our grandkids to mine. But let them have that choice.