Mining and Labour trying to fuck it

[Quasievil]

Never mind fixing the roads, building generators, maintaining parks, starting eco-commerce

Building maintaining etc costs money doesnt it, this would be tax money would it ??? where does Tax money come from Avgas??

How long would it take to equate the revenue generation from a potential Mine operation, probably never Im thinking

you think the Govt would mine if it wasn't for the money grabbing private firms?

Sheesh, ya see this sort of crap is the problem, dude get the chip of your shoulder and understand how your wages are paid?

Do you think that private firms shouldnt be out to get as much income as possible??? do you think they should aspire to only make minimal income??

are you a member of the communist party or the greens ??
(said in gest dude)

[Quasievil]

Leave the gold for our grandkids to mine. But let them have that choice.

Dude, they would have got sick of paying for the dole bludgers and the ageing population and will be living overseas

[Skyryder]

So did Helen, 218 consents given in conservation land

And NZ is a resource thats why we came here, nothing wrong with using the resource appropriately and carefully, if its done right big deal

Following C n P from
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/03/mi...er_labour.html

Mining under Labour

Quoting a release from Gerry Brownlee:

Labour’s hypocrisy over mining has been laid bare, says Energy and Resources Minister Gerry Brownlee, after new figures released by Crown Minerals today showed Labour approved more than 200 permits for mining on the Conservation Estate.

“This from the party that launched a campaign yesterday saying it was explicitly opposed to mining conservation areas – not just Schedule Four land, but conservation land full stop,” Mr Brownlee said.

Labour’s pledge of opposition to mining on conservation land is similar to their ax the tax campaign.

200 permits in just nine years!

“But if that wasn’t enough, we also have the release today of information that Labour approved a mining consent on land considered special enough to warrant Schedule Four status, the very behaviour Phil Goff has been decrying as unthinkable.

“It turns out Labour approved a permit in 2006 for mining gold, garnets and other gemstones on 168.5 hectares of land at Hart Creek, inside Paparoa National Park.

And they mined national parks.

“The information shows Labour were happy for mining to take place on 21,961 hectares of land, meanwhile the government is seeking approval to release a mere 7,058 hectares of Schedule Four land, of which as little as 500 hectares might be mined,” Mr Brownlee said.

My view is that mining applications should be decided on a case by case basis – as both Labour and National have done in the past. Economic benefits need to be weighed up against conservation value for each site.

Figures released by Crown Minerals [attached] show 218 permits were approved under a Labour government for mining inside Department of Conservation land between December 1999 and October 2008.

That is an average of one permit every fortnight was issued under Labour for mining on conservation land. I repeat one permit every fortnight.

So what makes you bthink I agree with what labour has done. And why has this not come to light when the Nats were in oposition. There is a lot of what Labour has done that I do not agree with.....................however I am not aware that they have downgraded schedule 4 land. The best that Brownlee can come up with is that Labour allowed mining on land considered special enough for scheule 4. A bit different from what National is proposing. But still not good.

As for Brownlee he seems to be changing his mind on value every minute so I have little faith in anything this man says




Skyryder

[mashman]

ummmm and this is bad how??
Errrr Yeah and whats the point?
What did you expect from your government.......Im intrigued
Like what ??

Sideshow?? you shitting me, have you been to Australia lately Im fairly sure they have a massive industry around mining not to mention a very significant population employed in it.
Mining is a viable and good industry, managed correctly its a winner for NZ

Forced into Labour ??

Oh dear Mashman

I can't post what i want to post. It'd be one of those endless 'hippyish, Reds, Blues posts, life, crime, think about everything bad that money does to people etc...' posts.

But can you answer 1 question for me please. "Im tempted just to go all wooooooo and mysterious just for shits and giggles cause I'm laughin my ass off typing this.", What's the answer to this equation... LIFE - FINANCIAL SYSTEM = ????. Give it some thought... and here are your project guidelines: you have 1 generation (20 years) to train and educate the population to not only be productive, but to also generate enough exports to be able to support itself on the open market. But you must remove any traces of a financial system within the first 2 years... remember the force is with you, you have no financial system.

Could you do it? I'd start by not worrying too much about crime after the initial burst of those who don't understand it... but you do have 2 years. (ok, so the 2 years is for shits and giggles - 2012 etc...)

What do you think, could you do it?

KBers: have at me muuuuwwwwuuuuhahahahahahaaaa... oh yeah, we've evolved too remember

[Quasievil]

I can't post what i want to post. It'd be one of those endless 'hippyish, Reds, Blues posts, life, crime, think about everything bad that money does to people etc...' posts.

But can you answer 1 question for me please. "Im tempted just to go all wooooooo and mysterious just for shits and giggles cause I'm laughin my ass off typing this.", What's the answer to this equation... LIFE - FINANCIAL SYSTEM = ????. Give it some thought... and here are your project guidelines: you have 1 generation (20 years) to train and educate the population to not only be productive, but to also generate enough exports to be able to support itself on the open market. But you must remove any traces of a financial system within the first 2 years... remember the force is with you, you have no financial system.

Could you do it? I'd start by not worrying too much about crime after the initial burst of those who don't understand it... but you do have 2 years. (ok, so the 2 years is for shits and giggles - 2012 etc...)

What do you think, could you do it?

KBers: have at me muuuuwwwwuuuuhahahahahahaaaa... oh yeah, we've evolved too remember

Sheesh who said I had the answers, Im just not interested in blocking revenue into NZ when the basis for it has been noted as minimal invasive "ness" to the environment.
Especially on the basis of labour party supporters on a bagging campaign over anything that aint Labour under the guise of National money grabbers blah blah blah...............boring and stale!!

But It would seem that if youre asking the question you have the answers so lets hear it dude, maybe it could be adopted and we can all live in perfect harmony and the economy will be blessed with your mashmanomices

lol

[T.W.R]

Sheesh who said I had the answers, Im just not interested in blocking revenue into NZ when the basis for it has been noted as minimal invasive "ness" to the environment.

Minimal revenue from major expenditure
Fresh mines take years to even look like returning a profit and in the interim the outlay is staggering. Even to the point that some mines collapse before any sign of a profit is made. Look at Macraes Gold mine it took over a decade before it looked like making any hint of a profit

[pete376403]

Yeah they are Bro, ever been to Jabiru in the northern territory, I have and its a huge mine smack in the middle of a national park

OK, guess I was wrong about that, then.

And when I said the returns are so small, etc., what I meant was returns for NZ by way of royalties, based on the current regime, not profits for the overseas mining co. (IMHO)

[Quasievil]

Minimal revenue from major expenditure

If that where actually true, why would mining be such a successful enterprise the world over?
And why would any banker finance it or any shareholder agree to capitalise in the prospecting let alone the mining.

[Pascal]

Key sees NZ as a resource to be exploited with little regard to the values that our National Parks demonstrate to the uniqueness of New Zealand

So what makes you bthink I agree with what labour has done

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

A bit different from what National is proposing.

So what is National proposing? I'd like to hear it in your own words. Because, judging by what you've written you haven't got a fucking clue.

[Pascal]

here are your project guidelines: you have 1 generation (20 years) to train and educate the population to not only be productive, but to also generate enough exports to be able to support itself on the open market. But you must remove any traces of a financial system within the first 2 years... remember the force is with you, you have no financial system.

Could you do it? I'd start by not worrying too much about crime after the initial burst of those who don't understand it... but you do have 2 years. (ok, so the 2 years is for shits and giggles - 2012 etc...)

What do you think, could you do it?

I'm still waiting for you to explain to me, in your perfect system, how we'd decide who has to ride a Honda and who gets an Aprillia. Or a Moto Guzzi.

[T.W.R]

If that where actually true, why would mining be such a successful enterprise the world over?
And why would any banker finance it or any shareholder agree to capitalise in the prospecting let alone the mining.

Because of long term returns, investors are fuelled by greed. Mining companies aren't that successful, many go broke before they even look like making profits, most are like mortgages only just staying afloat. The majority of large and what looks like successful mining companies only operate on the very fringe of the plus side of making profits. It only due to the huge amounts of money involved that they keep operating. The figures involved are mainly just magic figures written on paper. the high percentage of mines around the world are only operated by a handful of companies.

[Sach]

Sach I like you, and don't feel for a moment that I am bashing the mining companies or their employees. Fact of the matter is that I grew up around various mining sites - So I have full respect for all who deal with underground mining. In fact if it wasn't for the strong employment rates and GOOD employment that the mines offer I would be against it.
Currently under Waihi are Tomo's the size of small mountains, which thanks to dewatering have caused the ground to be unstable. This is why you have a nice fenced off section of the town. I only feel bitter about this as I loved Waihi as the little town it is, and I fear than when Newmont pull out - the town will slowly die.
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yeah there are tunnels from the gold mining days when Back filling didn't happen. and yeah this is a bad things that has happened but also look at all the good things that have happened. As a small girl i would come to Waihi beach and Waihi was a place you would blink and miss it. Now it is alive people have jobs... They say we have more people on the dole than Paeroa but i think its a case of having more people who will not work. the mine emplots a huge amount of people and then all the off spins from that. There are things in place for when newmont leaves but i don't think they will have a capacity for employment as the mine...

i guess it is a wait and see as the schedule 4 only opens it up for exploration not mining as such....

[Pixie]

you're an amusing twat....

I guess when all the straws are gone,some infants resort to red bling

[Quasievil]

Because of long term returns, investors are fuelled by greed. Mining companies aren't that successful, many go broke before they even look like making profits, most are like mortgages only just staying afloat. The majority of large and what looks like successful mining companies only operate on the very fringe of the plus side of making profits. It only due to the huge amounts of money involved that they keep operating. The figures involved are mainly just magic figures written on paper. the high percentage of mines around the world are only operated by a handful of companies.

Cheers for the reply TWR but sorry dude but what a load of bullshit lol

[T.W.R]

Cheers for the reply TWR but sorry dude but what a load of bullshit lol

Worked for a mining company have you????