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[Billy]

What Jim was implying is:Had nobody posted on KB about the said incident,Then they would have had no reason too investigate the matter further.
So its OK to critisise me with your assumption of me getting my info from KB, but when Jim gets his info from KB, that's ok?? WTF???

I can also tell you that the Meads's were told by JT himself that they cannot appeal MNZ's decision. Can MNZ please tell me in which part of their own constitution it says that no appeals are possible?

JT has no more rights under his own constitution as either you or I do.

Oh, hang on, will I lose my licence for speaking up on these matters too?

So you got off your ass (in your words)and rang the Meads family this afternoon,Funny youve been bagging MNZs decision all morning on the basis of he said/she said.
Furthermore,NO WHERE did I say Jim got his information from KB,Rather it was conveyed too him by a member of the roadrace commission who had seen it on here and from there it was investigated.Jim was merely the person I spoke with in relation too this matter.Lets make it clear right here MNZ is more than one person and this decision was NOT made by one person alone.
If Bryce wants too chance his arm by turning up at Hampton Downs,So be it.But Im sure you mentioning his sponsors name and comments made by his family are going too do his chances of an appeal no good!

If for some reason he were too ride this weekend and the unthinkable were too happen,Im sure wed have a whole different group of people on here questioning how MNZ let that happen.

Will you lose youre licence for your comments on here?Buggered if I know,Depends whether or not somebody sees it as a breach of the code of conduct and lays a complaint.

[Drew]

Well fuckin hell. KB has once again shown itself to be meddling where it shouldn't. Who'd have thought it?

Shaun- Fuckin shit house thread start man! Your point is completely lost by making it public, instead of going directly to the rider/MNZ. You're a balsy fucker, with the respect of a lot of people, you WERE in my opinion an ideal candidate to step in to a situation with some ideas on resolving it. Now it really does just look like shit stirring and it bloody sucks!

To those with the torches ready to burn Bryce once he's staked- What a joke you are. There are issues here that should not be being bitched about on this fuckin site, but instead taken up with the governing body.

Bryce being on probation, I think can only mean the incident at Hampton Downs is relevant if it were an MNZ sanctioned event. With a steward present and all rules being adhered. Licence dropped off in the morning and gotten back in the arvo. Otherwise it counts for FUCK ALL!

This site lets itself down every bloody day, you fuckin guttless cunts want it to have a say in the running of our sport, FRONT THE FUCK UP AND GET ON THE COMMITEE! Cos the voice of this site goes a bit like this. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAA, "I know best". "Fuck off, I know best". With a complete absence of accountability for anything that gets said, other than possibly being banned from this site.

Very few of us use our real names on here, and even fewer have the stones to stand up in front of a crowd and voice the same opinion they spout.

This site has the largest number of New Zealand motorcyclists as members in the country, and fuck if it doesn't make me wanna go buy a Skyline and take up drifting on a regular basis. At least those guys promote themselves well, and present a positive image.

[Drew]

So you got off your ass (in your words)and rang the Meads family this afternoon,Funny youve been bagging MNZs decision all morning on the basis of he said/she said.
Furthermore,NO WHERE did I say Jim got his information from KB,Rather it was conveyed too him by a member of the roadrace commission who had seen it on here and from there it was investigated.Jim was merely the person I spoke with in relation too this matter.Lets make it clear right here MNZ is more than one person and this decision was NOT made by one person alone.
If Bryce wants too chance his arm by turning up at Hampton Downs,So be it.But Im sure you mentioning his sponsors name and comments made by his family are going too do his chances of an appeal no good!

If for some reason he were too ride this weekend and the unthinkable were too happen,Im sure wed have a whole different group of people on here questioning how MNZ let that happen.

Will you lose youre licence for your comments on here?Buggered if I know,Depends whether or not somebody sees it as a breach of the code of conduct and lays a complaint.

Billy, I got an immense amount of time for you mate. But I think you're taking this a little personally.

Weather or not Bryce should be allowed to ride is pretty irrelevant if the appropriate steps have not been taken.

I have only met Matt Meads, and doubt we'd be mates under many circumstances, and two of the guys who have been involved in crashes with Bryce are mates. But this doesn't seem right to me.

[Billy]

Billy, I got an immense amount of time for you mate. But I think you're taking this a little personally.

Weather or not Bryce should be allowed to ride is pretty irrelevant if the appropriate steps have not been taken.

I have only met Matt Meads, and doubt we'd be mates under many circumstances, and two of the guys who have been involved in crashes with Bryce are mates. But this doesn't seem right to me.

Yip,Youre right too a point!The thing that annoys me is the people (for want of a better word)T hat frequent this site and spout off without knowing the facts.Having said that I dont necessarily know that this was handled by the book,But I do think the right thing has been done and that is why I stopped being an MNZ steward and clerk of the course and just recently turned down a position on the new roadrace commission.Simply because there appears too be no room ih the constitution for common sense.I have absolutely no agenda with Bryce Meads,In fact I dont even know the guy,But the fact is,Something is going wrong here and maybe a little time to cool his heals may just be what is required ??I for one hope he can take sometime out and comeback even better than before,The guys obviously got talent but maybe just a touch too much aggression.

Hope too catch up during the Actrix series

[Drew]

Yip,Youre right too a point!The thing that annoys me is the people (for want of a better word)T hat frequent this site and spout off without knowing the facts.Having said that I dont necessarily know that this was handled by the book,But I do think the right thing has been done and that is why I stopped being an MNZ steward and clerk of the course and just recently turned down a position on the new roadrace commission.Simply because there appears too be no room ih the constitution for common sense.I have absolutely no agenda with Bryce Meads,In fact I dont even know the guy,But the fact is,Something is going wrong here and maybe a little time to cool his heals may just be what is required ??I for one hope he can take sometime out and comeback even better than before,The guys obviously got talent but maybe just a touch too much aggression.

Hope too catch up during the Actrix series

Then there is a fundamental flaw with the whole system.

I feel that Bryce is in serious need of sorting his shit out, I cant comment on riding on the wrong side of caution as I spent a season doing it, but it can be done without risking others. But if the steps weren't followed to his suspension, he should be showing up at Hampton wearing a big FUCK YOU T-shirt.

I'll be there with bells on, and a rig to thrash too I hope. Vic series I mean, not Hampton nats.

[ellipsis]

Then there is a fundamental flaw with the whole system.

...yea, its all run by humans..... strange bunch...

[FROSTY:Me]

Guys I think you all need to step back and ask something.
Why are two extremely well respected and very experienced racers upset about this persons riding?
Forget all the he has rights, and rules n regulations and all that stuff . Why are these two guys that concerned?
Reminding you that they BOTH live and breath the sport.

Yea its possible that ego's are involved and they are both being assholes. But do you really think thats the likely case??

[White trash]

Tony, I've gotta say it's perhaps you who step back a little. You're telling me it's rightt because Shaun and Billy say it is? I've got a hell of a lot of time for both parties but I'll take my own opinion thanks.

Lets say one day MNZ have a chat with you about your riding on the track. Then the next weekend, your charged with dangerous riding on the road for doing a wheelie. Charged is VERY different from convicted remember. It's posted about on KB so MNZ pull your licence with know consultation or right of appeal? Is that fair? I doubt it.

FYI I think the rider in question is a dangerous cunt who should not be riding, but this isn't how things are done. I also believe MNZ will once again be shafted by SPARC for not following procedure. And rightly so.

[FROSTY:Me]

Tony, I've gotta say it's perhaps you who step back a little. You're telling me it's rightt because Shaun and Billy say it is?
FYI I think the rider in question is a dangerous cunt who should not be riding,

In a nutshell I believe that if they are concerned enough to kick up this kind of stink then yes theres an issue that needs to be looked at.
Im NOT saying that the way ot was dealt with was correct nor for that matter that it wasn't just that it takes a fair bit to get those people riled up enough to comment.
You do seem to agree with their opinion about this rider
As someone once said--"taint tiddlywinks we're playing here"
The poor bloke was unfortunate in that two guys he tangled with are "high profile" riders.
Its possible that its a "witch hunt" of course

To answer your question
I'd be totally gutted and looking inward at myself at the point MNZ actually felt they needed to intervene So I know I'd be pulling my head in bigtime. --Having almost "been there" when I drafted too close to KK and got a written warning--and rightly so

[Crasherfromwayback]

This site lets itself down every bloody day, you fuckin guttless cunts want it to have a say in the running of our sport, FRONT THE FUCK UP AND GET ON THE COMMITEE! Cos the voice of this site goes a bit like this. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAA, "I know best". "Fuck off, I know best". With a complete absence of accountability for anything that gets said, other than possibly being banned from this site.

Very few of us use our real names on here, and even fewer have the stones to stand up in front of a crowd and voice the same opinion they spout.

Dude...I think Shauns post came from a good/genuine place...and ok...while it might not have been the place/way to do it...it sounds like the boy needs to hear it.

Road racing is dangerous enough without reckless riding from ANYONE. I don't know the guy...nor have I seen him ride. But I nearly lost my fucking foot due to someone elses silly move, and that's not cool. So if...and I say 'if' he's dangerous...I couldn't give a fuck if he's hurt or insulted by anything written here. If he's not...he shouldn't care. I know I wouldn't.

[Drew]

Dude...I think Shauns post came from a good/genuine place...and ok...while it might not have been the place/way to do it...it sounds like the boy needs to hear it.

He does need to hear it, but not like this is what I'm saying.

Road racing is dangerous enough without reckless riding from ANYONE. I don't know the guy...nor have I seen him ride. But I nearly lost my fucking foot due to someone elses silly move, and that's not cool. So if...and I say 'if' he's dangerous...I couldn't give a fuck if he's hurt or insulted by anything written here. If he's not...he shouldn't care. I know I wouldn't.

I could care less if he's crying in his weetbix about it right now too mate, but I see the way it's been handled as wrong, not the result.

[wharfy]

Justice is like work, it has to be seen to be done, and even if this turns out to be all "above board" and correct - at the moment it just looks wrong.

[trev]

Were all the procedures followed when he "was put on probation" ???

[Billy]

Were all the procedures followed when he "was put on probation" ???

Ill use Trevs post too answer some of the posts above.

The simple facts are:The investigation into the Hampton Downs incident involving Bryce Meads did not begin due too Shauns post or anything I have said in this thread,Rather it was instigated following Craig Shirriffs post in the "Goat of Hampton Downs" thread.

The fact is,The board of MNZ and the roadrace commission have made a decision too remove a potential risk to some of its members.A move I applaud,Motor racing is dangerous and anything that can be done too improve safety should be brought to MNZs attention and acted on.Atleast a few of the people that have posted on this thread were at Pukekohe the day Derek Hill and Phil Harrison were killed and one that springs too my mind was disraught that a death had occured,Yet that same person is now bagging MNZ for and Jim Tuckerman in particular for suspending a rider that was already under probation for dangerous riding ???

Did MNZ follow the correct protocol?Ask them,Jim Tuckerman 021 725614 or if you dont want too talk to Jim,Peter Ramage(Chairman roadrace commission)0273580318,Nows good.Personally,I dont give a rats arse,Theyve dealt with a serious problem and that whats important too me first and foremost.

Finally(If anybodys still reading this)If I have become an Arsehole for defending MNZs decision,Then so be it,As long as it has potentially saved a life or serious injury,Im comfortable with that,Will the PC brigade be happy with yet another needless death,Just so little Johnnys feelings werent hurt???

[scrivy]

The fact is,The board of MNZ and the roadrace commission have made a decision too remove a potential risk to some of its members.A move I applaud,Motor racing is dangerous and anything that can be done too improve safety should be brought to MNZs attention and acted on.Atleast a few of the people that have posted on this thread were at Pukekohe the day Derek Hill and Phil Harrison were killed and one that springs too my mind was disraught that a death had occured,Yet that same person is now bagging MNZ for and Jim Tuckerman in particular for suspending a rider that was already under probation for dangerous riding ???
If you're referring to me Billy, then yes I was distraught at Puke a few years back - who wasn't? Enough so, that I couldn't compete in the last race of the day. However, an accident is a little different from a perceived potential death.

I am all for reprimanding someone if they are out of line. No disputes there. But Billy, as you know. I'm not exactly on MNZ's Xmas list, so it does appear that every time I mention something on this thread, you jump in and attack me for it. Yet you agree with Drew that it may have been handled wrong? Isn't that what I've ben trying to say all along - but you have bagged me the whole time, to try and belittle me?? Is that a new MNZ trait?

Did MNZ follow the correct protocol?Ask them,Jim Tuckerman 021 725614 or if you dont want too talk to Jim,Peter Ramage(Chairman roadrace commission)0273580318,Nows good.Personally,I dont give a rats arse,Theyve dealt with a serious problem and that whats important too me first and foremost.
But you said you turned down a possible position with MNZ's new Commission due to their being a lack of common sense. So if you were on the commission -you still wouldn't give a rats arse?? You would have let your emotions override your common sense too, cause everyone else agreed? Is that unbiased?? If that's the mentality of our elected MNZ members, then our sport is fucked - you know it! As I have said alot of times now in this thread - proper due process was not followed. THAT IS WHAT I AM AGAINST. Slinging matches with MNZ officials is not what I am after - common sense is - even you alluded to that being necessary!

Finally(If anybodys still reading this)If I have become an Arsehole for defending MNZs decision,Then so be it,As long as it has potentially saved a life or serious injury,Im comfortable with that,Will the PC brigade be happy with yet another needless death,Just so little Johnnys feelings werent hurt???

On another note.... how many people did Simon Crafar take out in NZ??
How many riders has Nori Haga taken out??
Did any of these riders get treated the way Bryce has???
If Bryce's riding is that life threatening - why has no one answered my original question as to how many people hes taken out?
Even the initiator of this thread should at least answer the question?