Pistol shooting

[SMOKEU]

Used to do a simmilar thing with an AK back when they were legal for every one to own, used it for shooting frogs as well.

I was surprised to find out how weak car bodies are.

[Tank]

What a complete load of shit.

What was that all about?

Does he think he is Dirty Harry, perhaps John Rambo?
The guy following with the recording data, I notice he has a pistol holstered to his hip. Why? Is he expecting Osama Bin Laden to come over the hill?

What a bunch of tossers.

Its just a game - nothing serious. Generally you will find that people with the Rambo complex dont get in or last.

As for the guy with the holster - rules are very strict and leaving pistol unattended gets you disqualified.

As I say - its just a game - you need to lighten up.

[oldguy]

I think Ive still got some .44 magnum rounds, got no pistol, so of no use to me.

anyway like this stuff.

[Swoop]

What a complete load of shit.

What was that all about?

Does he think he is Dirty Harry, perhaps John Rambo?
The guy following with the recording data, I notice he has a pistol holstered to his hip. Why? Is he expecting Osama Bin Laden to come over the hill?

What a bunch of tossers.

Another informative post. Have you ever been to a pistol range?
The RO and the scorekeeper have holstered firearms because they are also part of the firing detail and part of the competition. Everyone takes their turn with various tasks on the range. The RO has a timer that will be accurate down to 100ths of a second and a match may be won or lost by such a margin.
IPSC competition is damed challenging, much like any top-level discipline of competition.

Don't knock it until you have tried it.

[SS90]

Its just a game - nothing serious. Generally you will find that people with the Rambo complex dont get in or last.

As for the guy with the holster - rules are very strict and leaving pistol unattended gets you disqualified.

As I say - its just a game - you need to lighten up.

The thing to note here is that I grew up around fire arms my whole life, My Father was range safety officer for the airforce, as well as a champion skeet shooter, as was my grandfather, my older brother is an armourer in the Army, and I was also on the school shooting team.

In fact, at my brothers wedding, he remarked " I like guns and motorcycles", to which all my family concured.

It's certainly not firearms I am against.

The problem is, the glorification of "pitched gun battles", implying it is some sort of gam
The geezer shooting in the video may well be a "crack shot" good for him. However, if something was shooting back, I can assure you is composure would be somewhat different.

I see direct corolations between such glorification of gun battles, and "gun toti'n crack dealers" in the USA.

Here, we have a young turd telling us all how he "was shooting holes in cars", pardon? How many times do you have to be dropped on your head before you start this kind of behaviour?

I have no problem with responsible gun owners, be they gun owners for sport (hunting), or sport shooting (targets etc)

BUT, when your sport glorifies gun battles (like "urban combat", as shown in the video), then it is an entirely different matter.

We already have school kids going on killing rampages with their dads guns, and this phenominon increases every year.

Mark my words, one day, very soon, we will have our own "columbine" disaster in NZ, the warning signs are already there, we have "P"'d out oxygen thief's killing innocent people on a monthly basis, and, as a result, the public are becoming "desensitised" to it all.

Video games, movies, and video's on youtube.

When you make "pitched gun battles" cool to the youth, it is much easier for them to be involved in the real thing.

Like I say, each to their own, but you all saw what the reaction was from some member of this site on viewing the footage...talking about shooting cars etc.....what a fucking joke.

Healthy competition shooting, that is realistic , such as "simulated field" is incredibly challenging and does in no way glorify "urban combat" situations.

It's not the sport I critisise, it is the glorification of what it is simulating. Yes, getting a licence for a pistol in NZ is a very involved process, as well it should be, but, like I say, the weak minded fools in our society then talk of "shooting cars" etc.... it is a slippery slope from there.......

If you have ever witnessed a real "gun fight" (I have), your perceptions will change on such things.......standing there, all composed, and shooting targets (that don't shoot back/cry for their mum) is one thing, but the actions you are simulating are far different in realty.

[SS90]

I think Ive still got some .44 magnum rounds, got no pistol, so of no use to me.

anyway like this stuff.

This I don't object to.

This in no way simulates "urban combat", that is a sporting situation, where a competitor stands at his mark, stays at his mark, and fires on targets in front of him.

I see that as a "sporting" situation, that does in no way glorify combat.

[Pixie]

I was surprised to find out how weak car bodies are.

What?
You mean you can't take cover behind an open car door?

[Tank]

ten chars outside quote my shits in bold

The thing to note here is that I grew up around fire arms my whole life, My Father was range safety officer for the airforce, as well as a champion skeet shooter, as was my grandfather, my older brother is an armourer in the Army, and I was also on the school shooting team.

I didnt know that it was a pissing contest - but I was also raised as a shooter (farm boy) and my grandfather shot for Australia. You should also talk to your father because the 'practical' shooting we are starting is at the NZDF base (and a lot of other clubs) - and you will find that he quite possibly did a lot of this himself.

The problem is, the glorification of "pitched gun battles", implying it is some sort of gam
The geezer shooting in the video may well be a "crack shot" good for him. However, if something was shooting back, I can assure you is composure would be somewhat different.

there is no mention of it being a pitched gun battle or glorification - I dont think that the majority of people doing this as a sport have any interest in shooting people, much less being shot. It seems that the only person glorifying it as a battle or a 'bad assed nigger hunt on the streets of the bronks' is yourself

Here, we have a young turd telling us all how he "was shooting holes in cars", pardon? How many times do you have to be dropped on your head before you start this kind of behaviour?

welcome to KB - we have dipships who make stupid comments on pretty much everything.

I have no problem with responsible gun owners, be they gun owners for sport (hunting), or sport shooting (targets etc)

you seem to keep missing the point that this is simply sport shooting at targets. Its been a sport since the 50's and is very tightly controlled.

BUT, when your sport glorifies gun battles (like "urban combat", as shown in the video), then it is an entirely different matter.

ahh so you are one of those 'shooting movies are bad' nuts that make people go out and kill 100's - nothing about separating fantasy from reality or personal responsibility and all that

We already have school kids going on killing rampages with their dads guns, and this phenominon increases every year.

Video games, movies, and video's on youtube.

So is this more youtubes, movies fault or bad parenting or some other significantly fucked up social issue. I think that the movies are the least of the issue. I watch them and I know shooting someone is bad - mkay

Healthy competition shooting, that is realistic , such as "simulated field" is incredibly challenging and does in no way glorify "urban combat" situations.

this IS a shooting competion that is competed in all over the world (and has been since the 50's) - I cannot see how it glorifies urban combat - its a game FFS. I dont see them with pictures of baddies for you to shoot at or the like. Its a shooting obstacle course.

It's not the sport I critisise, it is the glorification of what it is simulating. Yes, getting a licence for a pistol in NZ is a very involved process, as well it should be, but, like I say, the weak minded fools in our society then talk of "shooting cars" etc.... it is a slippery slope from there.......

again - stay on KB you will see tons of stupid comments like that. Some on shooting, the rest on everything else.


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[Tank]

oh - fwiw - I started looking at this because I have been pistol shooting a little while and thought that this would be more fun and simply a change from standing in a range hitting a DOT from 25m.

Didnt even think of the urban combat - not has anyone I spoken to at the pistol club ever mentioned it.

[Ronin]

So SS90, what your saying is that it's the same as practising martial arts makes you want to round house every one in the head?

I can sort of see what your getting at, the set up and what they are doing seems a little strange to me but I don't in anyway see it as glorifying pitched urban gun battles. Can't say it is my cup of tea. Paintball is more my cup of tea, much more gratifying when your target screams. And for the record, playing paintball doesn't make me want to rush out and paint a house.

[SS90]

So SS90, what your saying is that it's the same as practising martial arts makes you want to round house every one in the head?

I can sort of see what your getting at, the set up and what they are doing seems a little strange to me but I don't in anyway see it as glorifying pitched urban gun battles. Can't say it is my cup of tea. Paintball is more my cup of tea, much more gratifying when your target screams. And for the record, playing paintball doesn't make me want to rush out and paint a house.

You may well not see it as "glorifying pitched gun battles", but I do.

Target shooting is one thing, and, as I said, I am no fan of people like Kevin Milne who have a jaded view of guns and their owners, far from it.

If I had to be picky, I would also critisise the choice of music, it made the whole video seem like a "shoot em up" video game.

On a website for motorcyclists, I see there is a sticky thread simply for firearms (I have never even looked at it), so it is safe to assume that for some reason, firearms are pupular in this group.

So be it, like I said, I am no anti gun lobbiest.

To me, as an educated, experienced adult, I can see the dangers of glorifying such sports (by that I mean the first video), actually, now I think about it, I fail to see how any one can NOT see that as glorifying "urban combat"..... What other real life scenario does it play out?

Hunting....

Rabbits? no
Ducks? no
Deer? no
Pigs? no

My experiences of hunting and target shooting never involved stalking a Deer back to it's little wooden house in the clearing, waiting for it to get inside (and take cover), before approaching the little wooden house and shooting the Deer through an open window.

Anyone else?

The second video, that is a different kettle of fish, that (to me) looked like a sport, not to say that shooting pistols through an open window (what situation do you think that represents? collecting on your tick bill perhaps?) doesn't involve a level of skill,but the second video did not represent a real life situation in the slightest....stand on the mark, hit all the target s that you see with these weapons in the shortest possible time.

The first video is the sort of thing you see Police train for........ when the hell is a civilian going to use those skills? (shooting through an open window)

[SMOKEU]

What?
You mean you can't take cover behind an open car door?

Apparently not.

[Ronin]

You may well not see it as "glorifying pitched gun battles", but I do.

Target shooting is one thing, and, as I said, I am no fan of people like Kevin Milne who have a jaded view of guns and their owners, far from it.

If I had to be picky, I would also critisise the choice of music, it made the whole video seem like a "shoot em up" video game.

On a website for motorcyclists, I see there is a sticky thread simply for firearms (I have never even looked at it), so it is safe to assume that for some reason, firearms are pupular in this group.

Rather than generalise you could take the view that there is a group (a sub set) of people on this site who are interested in firearms, hunting etc. There are some on this site who enjoy and discuss drugs, sores this make us all users?

So be it, like I said, I am no anti gun lobbiest.

To me, as an educated, experienced adult, I can see the dangers of glorifying such sports (by that I mean the first video), actually, now I think about it, I fail to see how any one can NOT see that as glorifying "urban combat"..... What other real life scenario does it play out?

Hunting....

Rabbits? no
Ducks? no
Deer? no
Pigs? no

My experiences of hunting and target shooting never involved stalking a Deer back to it's little wooden house in the clearing, waiting for it to get inside (and take cover), before approaching the little wooden house and shooting the Deer through an open window.

Anyone else?

Bambi can be a tricky little fucker.

The second video, that is a different kettle of fish, that (to me) looked like a sport, not to say that shooting pistols through an open window (what situation do you think that represents? collecting on your tick bill perhaps?) doesn't involve a level of skill,but the second video did not represent a real life situation in the slightest....stand on the mark, hit all the target s that you see with these weapons in the shortest possible time.

The first video is the sort of thing you see Police train for........ when the hell is a civilian going to use those skills? (shooting through an open window)

Like I said before. I can see where your coming from and if the video was of Americans then I may be more inclined to agree with you. They after all have a very strange relationship with firearms.

I can also see where Tank is coming from. It is an interesting way of challenging your skills with a firearm in a controlled situation. Going by how Gun clubs in NZ and firearm laws in general operate, I find it difficult to imagine that any person that would glorify urban contact would get far enough to take part in this.

For the record. I once held a firearms licence, owned rifles and target shot. I sold the rifles and surrendered my licence when I lost interest and had no need for them.

[Ronin]

Apparently not.

I once did some training with the Police as part of being able to ride along and we were told in no uncertain terms that if you do have to hide behind a car, pick the engine and even then it is lousy cover.

[slofox]

I have done a lot of clay target shooting in the past - boom-stick stuff. Very good "top two inches" training, I thought...but after reading some of the posts here, maybe it means I am a homicidal maniac...