ATGATT. Why? It doesn't affect anyone else?

[Chrislost]

I will have to totally agrre with this
If you own a bike you own a min amount of gear.
Compulsery to wear no different to a track day. BASIC SAFETY

Are you, like serious?
Like actually serious?

Full leathers, a back protector, boots, gloves, for me? How about the bike
All just so im safe?
For the cost of a good set of gear i could get tyre warmers and stands.

At least with them when i hit the brakes in a hurry half way to the dairy (about 250m up the road) i would stoppie rather than fall off.

[James Deuce]

Sorry, couldn't resist...

You'll keep.

In terms of gear, I'm not following you. I had good fitting good quality 2 piece Quasimoto leathers, back protector, top shelf helmet, boots, and gloves. $3000 worth of gear. I'll be wearing the same if or when I get a bike again.

[R6_kid:Me]

I will have to totally agrre with this
If you own a bike you own a min amount of gear.
Compulsery to wear no different to a track day. BASIC SAFETY

Perhaps then we should all go for WOF checks before we ride then? After all the fact that my bike has no WOF means that it is actually unsafe to be on the road, despite being in a much better condition than it was in 6mths ago when it last got a WOF.

[Edbear]

You'll keep.

In terms of gear, I'm not following you. I had good fitting good quality 2 piece Quasimoto leathers, back protector, top shelf helmet, boots, and gloves. $3000 worth of gear. I'll be wearing the same if or when I get a bike again.

I guess it's just that I have the gear with the CP armour but I've never taken it for granted. The fact that it was the solid armour that caused your injuries due to it not giving made me wonder if the "soft" armour in my gear was the better compromise.

We never know, I guess until we do come off what the outcome will be, we can only do our best to minimise the risk, which is why I'll never ride sans ATTGATT.

Seatbelts and air-bags also carry their own risks but the balance of it is that most times, the injuries from the safety gear are minor by comparison with the injuries from not having it.

[jono035]

You guys are missing my points completely.

It doesn't matter what gear you wear, any accident you are involved in affects other people.

@ Tricia - I've seen the lower half of a leg de-gloved due to a foot being removed by chain and sprocket. The victim was wearing good boots. For every example where people weren't wearing gear I can find an example where gear made no difference or added injuries that the victim wouldn't have sustained.

I am JUST like vinyl guy, particularly to the people who matter. I'm just another motorcycle accident. ATG (apart from a helmet) isn't important in that respect and most of the general public would hold that there was no difference between me and vinyl jacket dude. The fact that motorcyclists see my gear as better than vinyl jacket guy's is simply splitting hairs for ACC, NZTA, the Police, any other emergency services the and non-motorcycling public.

The whole argument is pointless. Motorcyclists argue that their own freedom of expression is paramount, but are happy to hammer anyone else for expressing a different view or attitude, even going so far as to argue for legal compulsion being a legitimate response.

The antithesis of freedom.

I don't know about you, but the motorcycle is almost the definition of freedom for me, despite getting hurt every single time I fall off.

I understood your points, but I have never assumed that protective gear is infallible or that it will never make matters worse. I do strongly believe that on the balance, however, it is much more likely to have helped than to have hurt.

There is more than a small element of sampling bias that is likely to appear in this consideration given that it is very hard to characterise injuries that didn't happen (the entire point of the gear itself).

[Owl]

ATTGATT

Bloody sad day I reckon when we start to spell acronyms wrong

[Virago]

Bloody sad day I reckon when we start to spell acronyms wrong

The BDOTGNZA will accept a formal complaint...

[Edbear]

Bloody sad day I reckon when we start to spell acronyms wrong

Where's the smiley for "I surrender!"

[Maha]

Where's the smiley for "I surrender!"

Come on Ed.....ATTGATT = All The Tight Gear All The Time.

[chrispy121]

I agree all riders should wear proper gear while riding
in Australia they pay less ACC if you do not have proper gear because you have contributed to the accident.

It is relly funny to see some idiot wearing jandals and shorts riding a bike along the road thinking he is cool.
they normally wave at me thinkng they are now part of the biking club.
Dont wave backto these people they should not be on a bike nor should they be encouraged to ride

just my 2 cent worth

[AD345]

My riding around in naught but a pair of Y-fronts and a big grin does not affect anyone (except on the grounds of good taste)

My crashing in full race gear and sustaining multiple serious injuries does indeed affect a large number of people.

Thats life in the big city

[Princesszxr]

im not sure im on the right track but the amount of ppl i see riding round town in helemts, short and jandals (here in palmy itlmost the norm) it ust make me shake my head and think men so may accients happen so close to home and could be avoided and the damage could be avoided with a jacket and pants. at first i was worried about ppl who ride round like tha but now it just makes me shake my head like oh well you'll learn. dunno just doesnt seem worth not wearing all the gear no mattter how far you go. buthtis is just my opinion.

[Edbear]

Come on Ed.....ATTGATT = All The Tight Gear All The Time.

Of course! If anyone should have got that, it should have been me...

[marty]

My experience this weekend wasw compared to the OP's post kinda funny. Jorja and I went to Paihia for the weekend on our bikes. staying int he same hotel was a young couple on matching cbr's. They arrived wearing all the flash gear. Next morning off out for the day. Him in shorts n sneakers. Her in a skirt and ladies sandles. on their bikes. I shook my head thinking hmm that'll hurt if sunmmat happens.- But it diddn't and looks like they had fun.

did you get an upskirt flash?

[mulletman]

Perhaps, the fact your headlight was on FULL, was the problem! The next f**ker that rides towards me with his headlight on FULL, will get a front wheel full of Hiace van and roobar! (if I'm in the van!)
I have twice been near blinded by bikes with their headlights on full beam during the day in the last month alone - next time, I might be blinded to the extent of running in to them!

Mate i gotta agree about the FULL Beam thing, it def makes it hard judging how far away they are wether behind or oncomming, i had a twat follow me back from the Methven street races with Full Beam, farkin blinding alright pissed me right off, then tried to overtake me on my left!!