ATGATT. Why? It doesn't affect anyone else?

[Dooly]

...pity he couldn't corner as well as he can go in a straight line....

Yeah, a lot of that going around eh..........

[RDjase]

Yeah, a lot of that going around eh..........

no shortage of point and squirt riders about, when you add alcohol and egos it makes it worse

[ynot slow]

real clever dude, and an amzingly fast rider...pity he couldn't corner as well as he can go in a straight line....

Sounds like me too,love coming round a corner and a bloody tractor on both sides(well hugging my lane and most of centre lane)just as well I was doing 55km as can't corner but real fast on straights (45km left hander)on top of the twisty bits of sh50,not much friggin room between bank and fred dagg when he has more room his side.So can understand your thoughts re ATGATT,if I had binned although very low speed,who ever turned up would still have the effects of trauma of being at the scene,imaterial if non injury or death,the sickening feeling you feel at an accident scene effects all at the time.

Last year while outside we heard a bang and those around me said fark crash,they headed off to look and help as sounded close,sure enough the accident was 150mts from home,my thoughts were I'm not going.Wife comes back and said it was nasty,I said how bad was the biker,she said died at scene,and then she asked how did I know it was a bike,and I said you could here the screech of tyres/brakes and the impact,but also I heard the tell tale sound of a bike sliding.The guy had good helmet,jacket,gloves etc,but she still was shaken after,she felt his pulse stop,and she has worked in the funeral industry so aint scared of dead people,but as Janet said in her post we all are effected whether proper gear is worn or not,any accident leaves those on the scene effected gear or no gear.

[hellokitty]

im not sure im on the right track but the amount of ppl i see riding round town in helemts, short and jandals (here in palmy itlmost the norm) it ust make me shake my head and think men so may accients happen so close to home and could be avoided and the damage could be avoided with a jacket and pants. at first i was worried about ppl who ride round like tha but now it just makes me shake my head like oh well you'll learn. dunno just doesnt seem worth not wearing all the gear no mattter how far you go. buthtis is just my opinion.

I know how you feel............. imagine my anger when I did my basic handlers cert to get my learners, only to have the instructor sneer at my jacket - my leather armoured alpine stars jacket and my nice helmet - telling me I had no need for such flash gear - I replied that I had an ex-boyfriend who worked in a Honda shop - got it all discounted and did that matter?? Surely you go to your basic handlers test dressed to ride.
This same woman suggested I take my glasses off so the rain wouldn't go on them - the glasses I wear every day as stipulated on my license.

I certainly wouldn't be taking any lessons from her.........

[R-Soul]

What to do about it?

I have said before that new riders should be forced to do a weeks community service in the motorcycle accident ward as a condition for getting their license.

If anything can convince you of your NOT being bulletproof, that will be it.

[DrunkenMistake]

I dont want to stir shit with anybody here,
But ill start off with agreeing that there are far to many idiots riding around in shorts and tshirts,
I havnt had my learners for that long, and unfortanitly my money is stretched which i guess is realy no excuse, But The first things i brought in the way of gear was a damn good helmet, a Rev it armoured textil jacket and a pair of A star leather Gloves, then after about a week due to the amount of bloody rain in Dunedin at the time I brought myself some waterproof boots, Ill be honest im still riding in Jeans, but after ready things thread and doing a little material look up I found that average jeans only take a mear 4.5 pounds of force to tear, to begin with I wasnt too concerned becouse Its only been comuniting around town and a few in city rides, my major problem is, is that most riding pants are either to long or are to small, ill be honest im just a short fat c**t haha, But im just curious what are Draggin jeans like for riding ect.

[jono035]

I dont want to stir shit with anybody here,
But ill start off with agreeing that there are far to many idiots riding around in shorts and tshirts,
I havnt had my learners for that long, and unfortanitly my money is stretched which i guess is realy no excuse, But The first things i brought in the way of gear was a damn good helmet, a Rev it armoured textil jacket and a pair of A star leather Gloves, then after about a week due to the amount of bloody rain in Dunedin at the time I brought myself some waterproof boots, Ill be honest im still riding in Jeans, but after ready things thread and doing a little material look up I found that average jeans only take a mear 4.5 pounds of force to tear, to begin with I wasnt too concerned becouse Its only been comuniting around town and a few in city rides, my major problem is, is that most riding pants are either to long or are to small, ill be honest im just a short fat c**t haha, But im just curious what are Draggin jeans like for riding ect.

Hey mate, glad to hear you're getting into it by buying decent gear straight up. I bought a rev'it jacket, pants and gloves when I first started out a year and a bit ago. Had my first off last weekend (at 30km/hr on a patch of gravel), broke my ankle and would have come out a whole lot worse without the gear. The gloves took a hell of a beating, as did one of the knees on my pants. I'd highly recommend pants with armor in the knees, if your bike goes down on its side, there's every chance your leg is going to still be under it, like mine was. I had a bruised and sore knee for a week, but without them it would have been mincemeat.

[caseye]

I dont want to stir shit with anybody here,
But ill start off with agreeing that there are far to many idiots riding around in shorts and tshirts,
I havnt had my learners for that long, and unfortanitly my money is stretched which i guess is realy no excuse, But The first things i brought in the way of gear was a damn good helmet, a Rev it armoured textil jacket and a pair of A star leather Gloves, then after about a week due to the amount of bloody rain in Dunedin at the time I brought myself some waterproof boots, Ill be honest im still riding in Jeans, but after ready things thread and doing a little material look up I found that average jeans only take a mear 4.5 pounds of force to tear, to begin with I wasnt too concerned becouse Its only been comuniting around town and a few in city rides, my major problem is, is that most riding pants are either to long or are to small, ill be honest im just a short fat c**t haha, But im just curious what are Draggin jeans like for riding ect.

Well they work as jeans and they stop some of the abrasion you can expect if you come off. For the price I'd either wait a month or two and save your pennies and get leather or go Cordura.
Jeans Dragin or Rhino are nice and comfortable but seriously they're not up to it in the same way as the Cordura with armour or leather trou.
I have Rhino jeans for commuting etc but since getting my leather TROU (courtesey of Q Moto) I use them for anything except in and around town.

[PrincessBandit]

It's an interesting dilemma. I do still ride wearing normal jeans often, but never without either my leather or cordura jacket, gloves and bike boots. When I crashed last year I was wearing dress jeans, leather jacket (helmet, gloves and boots of course) and my gear certainly did it's job - helmet with road rash, munted gloves, boots with toe ground down several layers (but not right through). I broke my collarbone. Interestingly, despite the seam down my right leg being ripped open on the road I suffered no more than a small graze on my right leg by the knee and a VERY large bruise on my left thigh where the fabric had been shredded open. I thought I'd have suffered worse injuries to my legs but perhaps my legs just didnt' contact with the road as much as my upper torso...
I only wear jeans now on shorter, lower speed rides. Any ride of longer distance or with higher speed is automatically in my leathers now. While I could say "why bother wiggling into them" (they are a pain to squeeze into sometimes) I am just thankful that my injuries weren't worse and I'm not about to go slapping the face of the angel who was watching over me that day!

[Big Dog]

But im just curious what are Draggin jeans like for riding ect.

I wear draggins to commute.

But that is in the firm knowledge that they offer no armour.

I also own leather pants and Cordura pants.
The draggins would not be used for touring. Aside from anything else they get cold and miserable when it rains.

If you already owned cordura and wanted some Draggns I would support that.
If you wanted some draggins and some supplementary armour I would support that if you had a separate plan for weather protection but no serious commuter should be without that.

If your struggling to find a cost effective cordura pant for the elevation challenged try the Mugello Sht Leg.

Available from any good bike shop for under $250 (often a lot less if your an odd size).

[DrunkenMistake]

This is probly going off the topic now, but thoughts on http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-306699988.htm

[Big Dog]

I'd ask the brand.
Mobig did some looked like that. High seam failure rate. (note: some owners are very happy but a lot of these pants have dodgey crotches and fasteners.)
If the seams are well constructed that looks like a good buy.

[jono035]

I wear draggins to commute.

But that is in the firm knowledge that they offer no armour.

I also own leather pants and Cordura pants.
The draggins would not be used for touring. Aside from anything else they get cold and miserable when it rains.

If you already owned cordura and wanted some Draggns I would support that.
If you wanted some draggins and some supplementary armour I would support that if you had a separate plan for weather protection but no serious commuter should be without that.

If your struggling to find a cost effective cordura pant for the elevation challenged try the Mugello Sht Leg.

Available from any good bike shop for under $250 (often a lot less if your an odd size).

The lack of armor is what put me off draggins. For around town and commuting, I was more worried about impact injuries to joints than scraping along the road. Thinking about what my minor drop would have been like without the knee armor is pretty scary.

I rode plenty of times without the pants on when I was just going short distances, not any more.

[MSTRS:Me]

The lack of armor is what put me off draggins. For around town and commuting, I was more worried about impact injuries to joints than scraping along the road. Thinking about what my minor drop would have been like without the knee armor is pretty scary.

I rode plenty of times without the pants on when I was just going short distances, not any more.

The strange thing is that low speed drops are often harder landing. Unless you hit a pole or kerb or something, it is the sudden deceleration impact that breaks bones. Alternatively, a higher speed drop (and slide) can leave bones intact but skin/flesh shredded.
YT had a very low speed drop some years ago. Spiral fracture of ankle and broken thumb. No skin gone.

[R-Soul]

The strange thing is that low speed drops are often harder landing. Unless you hit a pole or kerb or something, it is the sudden deceleration impact that breaks bones. Alternatively, a higher speed drop (and slide) can leave bones intact but skin/flesh shredded.
YT had a very low speed drop some years ago. Spiral fracture of ankle and broken thumb. No skin gone.

Interesrting. If you are at speed, the relative angle that you hit the ground at is less than if you are going slowly.