Police riders' handbook to better motorcycling - Motorcycle road craft

[pritch]

I endorse this book 1000% percent.,

I can't.

I had the book, but it's one of the many books I thought I'd loaned only later to find I had actually given it away.

Some Brit bike mags feel that the Police's slavish adherence to the late entry cornering line is killing people.
It's very nice in theory, but if on a left hand bend you meet a 4wd cutting the corner it's likely to be fatal.
And that's by no means an uncommon scenario. The Police though are reluctant to change such a basic tenet of their "bible".

There is a lot of good stuff in the book but I won't be replacing it.

[NordieBoy]

Some Brit bike mags feel that the Police's slavish adherence to the late entry cornering line is killing people.
It's very nice in theory, but if on a left hand bend you meet a 4wd cutting the corner it's likely to be fatal.
And that's by no means an uncommon scenario. The Police though are reluctant to change such a basic tenet of their "bible".

What's better than late apexing?

[Spearfish]

I have just ordered my copy from :
http://www.fishpond.co.nz/Books/Nonf.../9780113411436
I don't know how they compare to Amazon, but still morally better than not returning it to the library LoL.
Let the edge-a-ma-kaytin begin! (sure as hell need it)

[pritch]

What's better than late apexing?

Late entry/apexing is fine, except on blind left hand bends when that will place you smack between the headlights of the 4WD that's cutting the corner from the opposite direction.

BIKE set up a camera on such a bend and got a whole succession of shots of vehicles, including a caravan, encroaching on the wrong side of the road. Exactly where the Police manual says you should be.

BIKE suggest that riders modify their line on such corners but the Brit Police remain intransigent.

[bikemike]

Pritch, in all seriousness, what did you make of my reply to this argument way back?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...93#post1885193

If the Police are saying their manual is sound, I'd agree. If they say always use this line I'd be well surprised.

[rustic101]

Hi all,

I had to stop after being informed (not going to name names) that what I was doing was in breach of Copy Right Laws. Unfortunately, to continue would not have been a good look professionally for me

What I am pleased with is that what I started was not just about 'keyboard heroics', or ...this one time at Band Camp... but rather some positive posts which have encouraged individuals who actually want to learn or more importantly apply what they already have in a practical way. Call it unused common sense, or as some say 'rare sense' etc

I figure if the little that I typed saves one life or prevents one accident, then I have achieved something, albeit possible illegal lol

[Spearfish]

I was wondering about that side of things if you put a reference to the source material then you should be sweet. Eunuch-versity studends copy out of published material all the time.

Twist of the wrist was a good read/watch as well, so it should be interesting putting some different pieces together.

[wysper]

I bought this book recently because of this thread. So the breach of copyright got them a sale LOL

However I wouldn't so much recommend it as a book for techniques. But definately a book for mindset. Riding with a safe attitude. Assessing how you ride, and making changes for safer riding. Especially if you are honest.

The bits about people not learning from their mistakes, always blaming something or someone else was good. It was alot about taking responsibility, rider awareness and risk assesment.

So rather that a handbook on how to ride your bike ie counter steering etc, it was a handbook on where to be mentally when riding your bike. At least that was what I got out of it. I imagine most riders would read it and bin it as being useless. That they didn't need to know that, or they already knew that. But for me, even after more than 20 years on the bike it was a good read.

[madbikeboy]

Late entry/apexing is fine, except on blind left hand bends when that will place you smack between the headlights of the 4WD that's cutting the corner from the opposite direction.

BIKE set up a camera on such a bend and got a whole succession of shots of vehicles, including a caravan, encroaching on the wrong side of the road. Exactly where the Police manual says you should be.

BIKE suggest that riders modify their line on such corners but the Brit Police remain intransigent.

There is some very good information coming out of the responsible mc press in the UK. Okay, here's my view. I'm not an advanced instructor, so take this with a grain of the proverbial - I read as much information as I can, I try an apply it and decide what use the information is, and in which context the new information applies. For example, the late apexing. I've found this to be useful depending on the type of corner, how much visibility through the corner etc. As a hard and fast rule, I tend to apex a little earlier on left handers due to the oncoming traffic problem, and I tend to choose an entry speed commensurate with the possible dangers oncoming.

Common sense + humility + correct speed and position seems to be an ideal combination thus far.

[stormerUK]

Motorcycle Roadcraft....the police riders handbook to better motorcycliing is 'the Bible' to advanced motorcycling in the UK. available www.thestationaryoffice.com £11.99.
In advanced training UK the IAM (Institute of Advanced Motorcycling) and all other organisations teach the techniques to enable riders to attain advanced level. I am not too sure as to how it adapts to NZ road conditions or traffic volumes for that matter. The motorcycle has the big advantage of small size and immense acceleration and yes we do use these attributes to help....'make good progress'.

[Spearfish]

I'm half way through it and think it fits NZ very very well simply because its about adaptability.

[XP@]

+1 sale of book due to your breach of copyrite!

I have read the first chapter and decided I should really pull my head in or I will be dead soon. I am so far in to the "rides more than average" category that I ride more than average for about 3 riders.
I then went on to read chapter 2 - about 3 times so far and I am slowly getting it. I was amazed this morning at how many hazards I have been riding past without thought.

Bonus: It seems my Mum got a bit carried away with the Amazon marketing machine and added the video to go with it... well Mike Waites video of nearly the same name. Bless her cotton socks she thought it would go well with the book
http://www.mikewaite.co.uk/video/
I like his style - police skills mixed without the draconian attiude to speed.

So now i am riding on a bit of an overload of information and need to concentrate hard on leaning for the next couple of weeks at least

[Spearfish]

This guy on youtube is an interesting watch, he is x English MOT? police training officer who runs his own bike training co. He uploads training runs with commentary etc.
I think the vids compliment the book, there are over 250 vids to it takes a bit of time to wade through.

http://www.youtube.com/user/advancedbiker