Rimutaka Road rage

[peasea]

All the chest beating on here is lolable.

If it was going to happen it should have happened at the time.

Agree 100%

[peasea]

Am I the only one on here who comprehends English?

Peasea's comment about the 'clip on the ear' was saying it would be one thing for Mat to have retaliated at the time by giving the guy a clip on the ear but quite another thing in the law's eyes to have a group of motorcyclists take premeditated revenge.




(No wonder this place turns into such a fuckin' shitfight so often).

Thank you. Have some bling.

[Ender EnZed]

There is NO POSSIBLE version that this dickhead could ever come up with that would come remotely close to justifying his actions in this or any other scenario.....

THIS WAS NO CLIP ON THE EAR!!!!!

It was a CLOSED FIST aimed directly at a face that was thrown with enough force to draw blood and then, without hesitation and without ANY show of violence towards him, pulled a WEAPON out of the door of his car and was ready to cause SERIOUS DAMAGE to someone.

Whether it was a perfectly safe overtake or it was the worst driver ever, going like a maniac (definately not in this case!) is completely IRRELEVANT.

NO EXCUSE, NO JUSTIFICATION - this guy needs to be locked up!

I agree completely with everything said here. However, I think peasea was still making a valid point. Perhaps his explanation isn't "obvious" but it is at least plausible.

Here's what could have been going on inside Starlet man's head:

"I drive a shitty car and haven't slept in five days so I'm going to fight these bikers."

Alternatively:

"Motorcyclists regularly behave recklessly and irresponsibly on this road, in my opinion (which is the most important one).
I don't like this.
I should try to improve a situation I don't like. ----> Therefore, I'm going to try to improve this situation.
That biker passed me where I wouldn't have passed anything.
Anyone who overtakes where I wouldn't is reckless and irresponsible. ---> Therefore, he reckless and irresponsible.

---------->
Therefore, having identified a reckless and irresponsible biker I should try to get him to understand he shouldn't do this again.
I drive a shitty car and haven't slept in five days so I'm going to do this by punching him in the face and threatening him with a weapon."

There are many false premises in the above argument and clearly none of what Starlet man did was reasonable but that doesn't preclude there being more than one interpretation of events.

BTW, I don't doubt the version of events we've heard here in any way.

Full credit to the people involved exercising such control - rather proud of you all, well done!

+1

[peasea]

What makes that 'obvious'?

Or to phrase it another way; what makes you so sure that the actual witnesses are blatant liars and that your creative little story is what actually happened instead?

Fact? You've presented no facts.

I'm not sure how you're relating punching someone in the face and then proceeding to present a weapon and clipping someone's ear? Could you expand on how you see those two events relating?

Where in my post do I even hint at anyone being a liar? Read my post again (if in fact you read it the first time) and all I suggest is that it would be interesting to hear the other side of the story. Even a cop and/or judge would do that; it's called a fair hearing.

It appears obvious from his remark about bikers using the road as a race track that he's seen it all before, and guess what? So have I. I used to live in Wellington and used that road quite a bit; it never ceased to amaze me how mad some bikers were/are on that hill and YES, they do treat it like a race track so when someone cries 'enough' you cry 'foul'.

Shall we weigh up how many times bikers have raced over the hill versus how many times a member of the public has nutted at them?

I'm not saying this dude is right and I haven't called anyone a liar, pull your head in.

[blackblade]

Hell this is interesting I live in upper Hutt and have been riding over this hill for 22 years . Its an awsome bit of road and a lot of fun . Over the last 2 years its hardly been worth scratching on because of the amount of spastic riders who cut through traffic and piss off drivers . They have made it embarrasing to be a biker on many occasions . Blue GSXR1000 who gave an old lady the bird because she was going too slow, black zx1000 who cut inbetween two way traffic causing car to slam on brakes in front another biker, blue gsxr that nearly knocked me off when he took a corner too fast and crossed into my lane . The vast majority of bikers are good and in it for the cruise but there are a few who treat SH2 like a private race track . There is a time and place for everything . There must be a reason for mr starlet to get upset . I have yet to hear of a road rage that just happened because it was a sunny sunday . Maybe its a case of frustration . Who hasnt wanted to belt someone because he feels pissed on , rightly or wrongly . I dont agree with mindless violence for the most part but also who would hit someone when there are 4 other badasses standing around to take him out . maybe he felt threatened and thats why he went for the beating stick . There might just be 2 sides to this story

[motor_mayhem]

Hey Stoney, talking about what you should have done (or would have done "if he'd taken one step closer") doesn't make you look tough - it just makes you look stupid.

I would suggest it is more that Stoney is expressing the degree of how angry he was. True that at the time he may have been tempted but I am guessing him and the others are probably now pleased they just assertively stood their ground. Cos while giving that guy a the smashing he definitely deserves would leave you feeling great for about an hour, we all know how much the fuzz really like bikers and would not be likely to see our side on the issue.

Hell this is interesting I live in upper Hutt and have been riding over this hill for 22 years . Its an awsome bit of road and a lot of fun . Over the last 2 years its hardly been worth scratching on because of the amount of spastic riders who cut through traffic and piss off drivers . They have made it embarrasing to be a biker on many occasions . Blue GSXR1000 who gave an old lady the bird because she was going too slow, black zx1000 who cut inbetween two way traffic causing car to slam on brakes in front another biker, blue gsxr that nearly knocked me off when he took a corner too fast and crossed into my lane . The vast majority of bikers are good and in it for the cruise but there are a few who treat SH2 like a private race track . There is a time and place for everything . There must be a reason for mr starlet to get upset . I have yet to hear of a road rage that just happened because it was a sunny sunday . Maybe its a case of frustration . Who hasnt wanted to belt someone because he feels pissed on , rightly or wrongly . I dont agree with mindless violence for the most part but also who would hit someone when there are 4 other badasses standing around to take him out . maybe he felt threatened and thats why he went for the beating stick . There might just be 2 sides to this story

Well I agree with some of that but not with other parts. People in whatever mode of transport who hold up a line of traffic when there are places to pull over on those hills are annoying as hell and need to drink a big cup of wake the f@ck up. My old ute will only do about 50 up the hill with dirt bikes on the back so I keep my eyes on the rear view and as soon as I see traffic start building up behind me, I pull over at the next stop area and let them go past. It's not rocket science, just requires a bit of consideration.
But I have seen bikers that I know passing people on double yellows and then fob it off as a nothing when I ask them later.
In summary it's kind of a mixed bag on that road.
Whatever reason for mr starlet getting upset doesn't in the least justify his actions on the day and he should be held accountable. Though I have no faith in NZ justice system doing that. "Who hasnt wanted to belt someone because he feels pissed on , rightly or wrongly" and how many people do you know who have actually done that?

FTR I don't think Stoney and crew were doing anything wrong let alone that warranted that reaction. And peasea, there is no three sides to the story, there's only one, it's called the truth, you're either talking it or you're not.

[oldrider]

I think the truth is Darren (Mr friendly) was scared shitless, he only threatened, made an ass of himself and slunk off!

His dog probably laughed at him too! That would not help!

[Deano]

Hell this is interesting I live in upper Hutt and have been riding over this hill for 22 years . Its an awsome bit of road and a lot of fun . Over the last 2 years its hardly been worth scratching on because of the amount of spastic riders who cut through traffic and piss off drivers . They have made it embarrasing to be a biker on many occasions . Blue GSXR1000 who gave an old lady the bird because she was going too slow, black zx1000 who cut inbetween two way traffic causing car to slam on brakes in front another biker, blue gsxr that nearly knocked me off when he took a corner too fast and crossed into my lane . The vast majority of bikers are good and in it for the cruise but there are a few who treat SH2 like a private race track . There is a time and place for everything . There must be a reason for mr starlet to get upset . I have yet to hear of a road rage that just happened because it was a sunny sunday . Maybe its a case of frustration . Who hasnt wanted to belt someone because he feels pissed on , rightly or wrongly . I dont agree with mindless violence for the most part but also who would hit someone when there are 4 other badasses standing around to take him out . maybe he felt threatened and thats why he went for the beating stick . There might just be 2 sides to this story

You just joined yesterday.....mmmmmm....you're not a mate of Dazza's are ya ?

[Deano]

But I have seen bikers that I know passing people on double yellows and then fob it off as a nothing when I ask them later.

Well I reckon the main point is why the hell are there double yellow lines there now ? Never used to be a problem for bikes to overtake safely and I suspect a lot of people are still riding the same as always. I.e. regardless of the yellow lines.

[Quasi]

Well I reckon the main point is why the hell are there double yellow lines there now ? Never used to be a problem for bikes to overtake safely and I suspect a lot of people are still riding the same as always. I.e. regardless of the yellow lines.

The double yellow are now there because of the massive amount of roadworks going on because of Muldonns re-alignment. We all know that and we all know the hill is now fucked and will be for ever more. You should also know that if you on the hill, going south to north, its only a few minutes out of your riding day and then you into some of the best riding roads in the Welly region

I gotta agree with what various people have said. A lot of riders think the hill is their own private race track. I have been shocked with the amount of dodgy riding i see on there. Some of you guys are crazy!

I dont mind slow drivers/riders. But i do get a bit tetchy when they dont use the opportunities to pull over and let the faster traffic through. But I would never resort to the measures that Dazza used. I saw Matt just after it happened and his glowing, swollen, bloody nose was a sight to behold

Anyway - ride safe one and all

[Deano]

The double yellow are now there because of the massive amount of roadworks going on because of Muldonns re-alignment.

I could understand if the double yellows were only by the bits where the road works are but they aren't. It seems to be a deliberate ploy to stop bikes from overtaking. And personally, I have ridden that road for a number of years and overtaken a lot of cars with no mishaps.

[Smifffy]

A sane, reasonable person who had come to the end of their tether, would, IMO, be more likely to pull up and give the biker a verbal dressing down, most likely with several expletives thrown in for good measure. Clearly Dazza is fearful of his safety if he feels the need to carry his whacking stick in the door compartment of his little pus bucket.

No matter how many bikers he has seen behaving poorly, there is no justification for weighing in with a king hit first up.

I see this playing out in one of 3 ways:

Dazz calms down, realises that things could have got much uglier for him with a different bunch of bikers, pulls his head in, and carries on life with a few regrets

The cops charge Dazz, he gets his day in court (Tui anyone?)

Dazz gets "the rush" from successfully showing the bikers the proper respect for his hill, and goes on to repeat his own version of vigilantism, and it all ends badly for somebody (maybe Dazz, maybe a biker)

[Ronin]

Dazz gets "the rush" from successfully showing the bikers the proper respect for his hill, and goes on to repeat his own version of vigilantism, and it all ends badly for somebody (maybe Dazz, maybe a biker)

Sadly I'm with you on this one. Strikes me as the type that will be the "man" in all of this. It won't be his fault, wont be his responsibility and probably wasn't hugged enough as a child.

As for the Hill, yeah I have seen some truly insane riding on it and once or twice may even have taken part in it. Now if someone gives me room then I will pass but I will just sit in behind them if they don't. No point getting all het up over something I can't control and besides, some of the scenery that normaly rushes past is quite pretty.

[Jantar]

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[pete376403]

I think the truth is Darren (Mr friendly) was scared shitless, he only threatened, made an ass of himself and slunk off!

His dog probably laughed at him too! That would not help!

No - he didn't 'only threaten" - he hit Mat in the face. That is assault. The police should be taking it from there.