ROFL! This should be fun to watch...

**mashman** · 12th April 2010, 21:24

Essentially you're talking about the probability that God, Creation Entity or Science created the universe and everything to infinity.

You're going to end up with:

Oh shit I hope God wasn't watching me wank in the shower over my sisters husband this morning. I'll burn for that.
Oh shit I hope the Creation Entity wasn't watching me wank in the shower over my sisters husband this morning. I'll wonder if he invented Karma too. I'll burn for that.
Oh God in Creation what a feeling to have first thing in the shower of a morning.

Then that could make us the Intergalactic Province of the Solar System Region Fuck It's Big Out There, Planet 3, World Government... Blue Party currently sitting... and we've just gone through a management reshuffle... for 2 of them. Or a really bad mismanagement of the Planet by us.

Until there's evidence, i'd rather sort out the here and now.

**Edbear** · 12th April 2010, 21:37

Originally Posted by avgas

Yep only a foolish god would put man on the earth, and only a retarded monkey would have man as a child.
Damned if you do, Damned if you don't

And to give Man free will to decide for himself what is right and wrong and live as he pleases, well...

**Edbear** · 12th April 2010, 21:52

Originally Posted by mashman

Essentially you're talking about the probability that God, Creation Entity or Science created the universe and everything to infinity.

You're going to end up with:

Oh shit I hope God wasn't watching me wank in the shower over my sisters husband this morning. I'll burn for that.
Oh shit I hope the Creation Entity wasn't watching me wank in the shower over my sisters husband this morning. I'll wonder if he invented Karma too. I'll burn for that.
Oh God in Creation what a feeling to have first thing in the shower of a morning.

Then that could make us the Intergalactic Province of the Solar System Region Fuck It's Big Out There, Planet 3, World Government... Blue Party currently sitting... and we've just gone through a management reshuffle... for 2 of them. Or a really bad mismanagement of the Planet by us.

Until there's evidence, i'd rather sort out the here and now.

You've basically hit the nail on the head, here.

It's becoming increasingly apparent that human beings are totlaly incapable of sorting out the here and now. The world is not becoming a better place despite sincere and ongoing efforts by people who genuinely want peace and security and a better life for all. Listen to any Parliament or political, social or religious entity discussing the issues that face us.

If there is a creator, of course the question is raised as to why "He" did it and what's "He" been doing since and what's "He" going to do if anything?

The first thing to answer, though is, "Is the evidence in favour of direct creation?" If so and if science demonstrates the alternative of natural processes cannot work, we are forced to consider the probability of a creator and all that such implies.

Whatever, you think or prefer to believe, you won't find the answer in the religions of this world. For example, at risk of getting back on topic, who would ask a church for the truth when they knowingly and deliberately lie about every so-called Christian doctrine and demonstrate a callous disregard for the welfare of their adherents?

**Toaster** · 12th April 2010, 22:07

Originally Posted by Edbear

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ebookheadlines

Well, if they hang him, they can call him "Pope on a Rope"

**Toaster** · 12th April 2010, 22:17

Originally Posted by Edbear

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ebookheadlines

I was just thinking.... The Pope and Hugh Hefner have a lot in common... they both wear their pyjamas all day and have a cult following.

**Edbear** · 13th April 2010, 07:49

Originally Posted by Toaster

I was just thinking.... The Pope and Hugh Hefner have a lot in common... they both wear their pyjamas all day and have a cult following.

But at least with old Hugh leacherous, you know he wants his love children to be legal age...

**Edbear** · 13th April 2010, 07:55

Originally Posted by mashman

Essentially you're talking about the probability that God, Creation Entity or Science created the universe and everything to infinity.

You're going to end up with:

Oh shit I hope God wasn't watching me wank in the shower over my sisters husband this morning. I'll burn for that.
Oh shit I hope the Creation Entity wasn't watching me wank in the shower over my sisters husband this morning. I'll wonder if he invented Karma too. I'll burn for that.
Oh God in Creation what a feeling to have first thing in the shower of a morning.

Then that could make us the Intergalactic Province of the Solar System Region Fuck It's Big Out There, Planet 3, World Government... Blue Party currently sitting... and we've just gone through a management reshuffle... for 2 of them. Or a really bad mismanagement of the Planet by us.

Until there's evidence, i'd rather sort out the here and now.

Oh, by the way...

Heb, 4:13 "And there is not a creation that is not manifest to his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him with whom we have an accounting."

**Dave Lobster** · 13th April 2010, 07:58

Originally Posted by Edbear

Heb, 4:13 "And there is not a creation that is not manifest to his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him with whom we have an accounting."

Who translated into english from Hebrew? Someone with a vested interest, or someone neutral?

**Edbear** · 13th April 2010, 08:04

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

Who translated into english from Hebrew? Someone with a vested interest, or someone neutral?

That was from the Greek, NT. While there are many translators and publications available to check one of the most commonly used is the Interlinear by Westcott and Hort.

It's no biggie to find out whether something has been translated correctly, as the languages are still spoken today and any number of people who are native speakers can verify the accuracy. One of my sons-in-law is Israeli and a great source of information on middle-Eastern history and languages.