Petitioning Ministry of Transport regarding recidivist drink driver policy

**Genestho** · 13th April 2010, 12:50

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Scummy is all for it, FWIW. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1129716225

I believe the words were "Good Sh*t"

**candor** · 16th April 2010, 19:30

MoT's evilest certainly won't approve. They work vey hard at making revenue outperform safety. The regulatory impact statement for the next 3 years of road "safety" delivery reveals plans are afoot there to automatically get drunks back on the road after token courses.

Why - the rego fees, the wof bizzo, the tow truck company interests, the revenue - whats more of a golden goose than a 20x offender like 20x $500 starts to add up, thats nearly the salay an MoT staffer deserves!

The regulatory imp statement also notes a possible need for MoT to compensate icence testers for lost bizzo by raising the driving age. Doesn't this suggest a death industry is more impt than safety.

It also notes that the 7M cost of propaganda etc to ease in a 0.05 limit (very weak intervention presented as strong tut tut) might best be recovered by upping licensing costs.

**shafty** · 16th April 2010, 19:41

Signee #193.

My message was : Tolerance has gone on too long. Please do not wait til a family member is killed until something definite is done. NZ and NZers are ready for this.

**shafty** · 16th April 2010, 19:55

ps. I suggest you cut and paste the petition link on your Facebook page, I did with the messgae below, Cheers, Shafty

With another Kiwi caught on their 11th Drink-Drive charge recently, - someone who has already killed a Child thru drink driving - her own child, it's about time us Kiwi's got serious about stopping recidivist Drink drivers - people who don't care about us or our families when on the road. Please take a few seconds to sign the petition (below) for change. Feel free to send it on and share it via Facebook. Thanks. Pete

**Genestho** · 17th April 2010, 08:45

Thanks Shafty! Much appreciated!

**davereid** · 17th April 2010, 09:07

Petition signed... sadly I think that government will take the soft option, and merely lower the limit to point 05. This will have no effect at all on the trashed drivers, but is a good option for making it seem as if you are doing something.

**scumdog** · 17th April 2010, 09:13

Originally Posted by T.G.W

I believe the words were "Good Sh*t"

#202.

And I posted a terse comment.

**Genestho** · 17th April 2010, 10:49

Originally Posted by davereid

Petition signed... sadly I think that government will take the soft option, and merely lower the limit to point 05. This will have no effect at all on the trashed drivers, but is a good option for making it seem as if you are doing something.

What we're up against is BIG organisations that have had many years to lobby for lowering limits, who have had previous chances to do so, but perhaps then it wasn't in public favour, now opportunity for public support is rife.

I'm fairly sure lowering limits will happen, infact I'd be surprised if it didn't.

What we do know is; there is alot of support - both in the public arena, and within credible organisations with resources, that support a change of legislation to curb recidivism and an interest in looking at the larger picture, who have also looked at the facts available.

We also know Steven Joyce is astute and listening.

If recidivism is overlooked in cabinet this month - which I really don't think will be the case, avenues are nowhere near exhausted

Originally Posted by scumdog

#202.

And I posted a terse comment.

And thank you Sir!

**candor** · 17th April 2010, 13:05

It won't be overlooked. IIDs will be in but the scheme will be user pays and likely rarely used out of sentencing options. Again being seen to do something but not doing anything is the plan. This can hopefully be turned around by sufficient quality submissions about how the scheme should run as the law change goe through select committee. Select committee is the dangerous time as that is where any good initiative gets weakened and screwed over. Sadly good initiatives can often even get contorted into mutants that only worsen the initial problem.

Then comes the prize winning moment when govt stoops down and ask for a public pat on back. And the vomit rises. Hopefully that won't happen here, but for it not to I think GW will need to lead the way on providing stakeholders with a model program to support. IIDs combined with more alcohol/drug treatment being the best ideas out of the Crossroads petition imo. Obviously we won't get it all. Keep the energy up GW, if only the public knew that a good IID program saves 3-4 x the livesw of a limit drop - it is where cash should flow into not that 7M going to implement a dud limit drop.

**ynot slow** · 18th April 2010, 10:15

You do realise Steve Joyce used to be in radio,and not much bloody good at it either,mind you was 20yrs ago in the Naki.

Is a good piece of legislation,not all caught will be given the highest sentance,but if you keep doing it as recidivist it gives the judges more to disuarde others,although some sentances are so out of line they're a wet bus ticket at times.