I want to make a complaint

[What?]

So you would be one of the other dawks that crosses my bows with no indication as I'm about to pull on to the rounabout???

No, I wouldn't - I do what the rule says, even though it is in full contradiction of other rules/definitions. Thing is, even if it is wrong, it is better if everybody does the same wrong thing - then the only people who will be confused are the 2 million tourists we get here every year...
BTW - why would you pull into a roundabout if there is something coming from your right? YOu are required to give way to the right at all times on a roundabout, and that does make sense.

[zooter]

No, I wouldn't - I do what the rule says, even though it is in full contradiction of other rules/definitions. Thing is, even if it is wrong, it is better if everybody does the same wrong thing - then the only people who will be confused are the 2 million tourists we get here every year...
BTW - why would you pull into a roundabout if there is something coming from your right? YOu are required to give way to the right at all times on a roundabout, and that does make sense.

If something is coming from my 12 o'clock and not indicating the turn I am inclined to get a move on. That is what roundabouts are all about, increasing the carrying capacity of the intersection. I look at their front right wheel, where they are looking, and what their hands are doing on their steering wheel, as well as their flashers but sometimes I just can't win.

[denill]

If something is coming from my 12 o'clock and not indicating the turn I am inclined to get a move on. That is what roundabouts are all about, increasing the carrying capacity of the intersection. I look at their front right wheel, where they are looking, and what their hands are doing on their steering wheel, as well as their flashers but sometimes I just can't win.

Yes - I most definitely agree with that. You have phrased that very well. We all get messages from 'the attitude' of the vehicle that could just 'hurt' us telling us what the driver may or may not do. Then get on with it. Motorcyclists are particularly good at that, or they would be maimed or worse by now.
In reality though the indicator thing is neccessary in some Ropundabout circumstances but the confusion is in the blanketing of the rooles.

[What?]

Ummmm, the rules actually aren't blanket. If you read them fully, the confusion just gets worse.

[Jantar]

So you would be one of the other dawks that crosses my bows with no indication as I'm about to pull on to the rounabout???

If there is a vehicle on the roundabout that HASN'T indicated left, then the only safe conclusion is that it is going to cross your bows. I would rather have this situation that you describe than the one where the idiot indicates left when he is actually going strait ahead. I know one driver who insists yhat he is doing it correctly by indicating left for straight ahead as its the only way he can indicate for 3 seconds befor exiting.

I like the roundabout rules the way they were. ie indicate wherever practical prior to entering if you are planning to turn, don't indicate prior to entering if you are planning to go strait ahead. Indicate left if practical prior to exiting. The requirement to indicate was a courtesy to other drivers, but one that made sense.

Now, indicating is mandatory. Not only is it mandatory, but you must indicate for 3 seconds and be prepared to be fined and incur demerit points if you fail to do so.

it is this requirement to indicate for 3 seconds that I object to. With an 8 meter wide lane the maximum speed that you can drive through the roundabout is 10 kmh. But with the 5 meter wide lanes in Queenstown you must slow down to 6 kmh. I know that there have been statements made in this thread that the 3 second rule wont be enforced at smaller roundabouts, but until I see that in legislation I just will not believe it.

I have no problems with the concept of indicating, its just the demerit points for not indicating for 3 seconds that I object to.

[zooter]

If there is a vehicle on the roundabout that HASN'T indicated left, then the only safe conclusion is that it is going to cross your bows. I would rather have this situation that you describe than the one where the idiot indicates left when he is actually going strait ahead. I know one driver who insists yhat he is doing it correctly by indicating left for straight ahead as its the only way he can indicate for 3 seconds befor exiting.

I like the roundabout rules the way they were. ie indicate wherever practical prior to entering if you are planning to turn, don't indicate prior to entering if you are planning to go strait ahead. Indicate left if practical prior to exiting. The requirement to indicate was a courtesy to other drivers, but one that made sense.

Now, indicating is mandatory. Not only is it mandatory, but you must indicate for 3 seconds and be prepared to be fined and incur demerit points if you fail to do so.

it is this requirement to indicate for 3 seconds that I object to. With an 8 meter wide lane the maximum speed that you can drive through the roundabout is 10 kmh. But with the 5 meter wide lanes in Queenstown you must slow down to 6 kmh. I know that there have been statements made in this thread that the 3 second rule wont be enforced at smaller roundabouts, but until I see that in legislation I just will not believe it.

I have no problems with the concept of indicating, its just the demerit points for not indicating for 3 seconds that I object to.

pretty sure the 3 sec rule doesn't apply to roundabouts
Yesterday's paper had a feature blurb from LTNZ including the pics out of the road code as part of an article about our local roundabout problems, nice one.

[What?]

Now, indicating is mandatory. Not only is it mandatory, but you must indicate for 3 seconds and be prepared to be fined and incur demerit points if you fail to do so..

This is where it gets confusing - you only have to indicate the left for a minimum of 3 seconds where it is practicable to do so. This means on some roundabouts you may have to indicate right as you go around, but not necessarily left as you exit.
In Pomgolia roundabouts are known as "circusses" (even though the plural of circus is "circi"). It is an apt name.

[Skyryder]

Seems I jusxt can not leave this alone. Here's anothe issue with roundabouts that is specifically biker oriented.

But first a question. Have you ever had to change gear while in a roudabout? I know I have and I would bet that many uf us here have done so at times.

Now the second question. Can you indicate while changing gear? That is while the clutch leaver is depressed.

My indicator is on the left hand side and at times I have been known to change down at precisely as I am exiting the roundabout and when by law I am required to indicate left.

Now I hold the view that my safety and other road users also is more important than signalling left as I exit a roundabout.

Now correct me if I am wrong but my analysis of the roundabout indicating is priamarily for courtesy. For a car to impact you on the exit point it would have to bypass the roundabout and turn right going the wrong way into traffic flow.

So in my view this new law has nothing to do with safety whatsoever and is just another revinue gathering scheme thought up by the LTSA.

If those of you here who believe that this new law is for our safety can you please explain how it does so.


Skyryder

[RON SOAK]

You want to complain! Look at these shoes. I've only had them three weeks and the heels are worn right through.
..If you complain nothing happens, you might as well not bother.
...Oh my back hurts, it's not a very fine day and I'm sick and tired of this office.

[Hitcher]

Seems I jusxt can not leave this alone. Here's anothe issue with roundabouts that is specifically biker oriented.

But first a question. Have you ever had to change gear while in a roudabout? I know I have and I would bet that many uf us here have done so at times.

Now the second question. Can you indicate while changing gear? That is while the clutch leaver is depressed.

My indicator is on the left hand side and at times I have been known to change down at precisely as I am exiting the roundabout and when by law I am required to indicate left.

Now I hold the view that my safety and other road users also is more important than signalling left as I exit a roundabout.

Now correct me if I am wrong but my analysis of the roundabout indicating is priamarily for courtesy. For a car to impact you on the exit point it would have to bypass the roundabout and turn right going the wrong way into traffic flow.

So in my view this new law has nothing to do with safety whatsoever and is just another revinue gathering scheme thought up by the LTSA.

If those of you here who believe that this new law is for our safety can you please explain how it does so.


Skyryder

Harden up man. What's your thumb for, or are you an amputee?

[Dafe]

Going straight through a roundabout - Only Indicate on Exit.
If your indicating left on going in, expect to die a grim d eath!!!

[250learna]

Going straight through a roundabout - Only Indicate on Exit.
If your indicating left on going in, expect to die a grim d eath!!!

haha surprising how such a simple rule can confuse so many, it was already in the road code and i used on any decent size roundabout
you just have to indicate left when leaving the bloody thing, is that realy that hard, it lets the people who are waiting to get in to it that they can because you are pulling out.

[What?]

It used to be a recommendation - now it is a rule.

[Lou Girardin]

I suppose that to be able to indicate you'd have to extricate your thumb from your arse first.
I've never heard so many people advertising their incompetence.
The horse is dead people stop flogging the poor thing.

[Hitcher]

It used to be a recommendation - now it is a rule.

A bit like cellphones on golf courses. Some people just don't get it, so rules have to be passed!