Jacque Fresco on TVNZ now (Wed 14 April)

[puddytat]

If there's one place we could do it still it'd have to be here in NZ.....
Personally I dont think its going to happen anytime soon.It should have started years ago.
Our only chance now is to pull up anchor & sail furtha away.Abit like the office workers sailing off in "the Meaning of Life"
Is there time ? .....I think not.
Unless we close the borders & lob a BIOBOMB "over there" we havnt got a chance.
I need more medication....

[mashman]

If there's one place we could do it still it'd have to be here in NZ.....
Personally I dont think its going to happen anytime soon.It should have started years ago.
Our only chance now is to pull up anchor & sail furtha away.Abit like the office workers sailing off in "the Meaning of Life"
Is there time ? .....I think not.
Unless we close the borders & lob a BIOBOMB "over there" we havnt got a chance.
I need more medication....

Agree with the NZ thing... if there's gonna be critics, you can bet your arse they'll be leaping out of the woodwork to let you know about it... we're not radicals.
I think there is time though and I think it could be done if you used NZ. You just need to plan it. but sooner rather than later. which means public education. I reckon a 2 year education should give a good enough idea of wether it could work or not.

[puddytat]

Yup , I reckon we need to stamp our feet,do something completely differnt .....Make a point of differance from the rest & say right, you lot are on a road to nowhere & we aint going to follow.Go with this sustainable thing & bring back some morals......A bit like the 20/20 things my mates in the greens suggested.

To me , profit also involves someone losing.....& thats about 90% of us.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

There is evidence that the film, The Day After Tomorrow, is actually happening right now.

Dig deep enough on the NASA website, and it shows that all the planets in the solar system are going through the same change... (which tells me the sun is up to something) but since they can not tax you on that they don't make public and hide it deep with in the site but still accessable... this way they can say well we didn't hide the info (and don't ask me to find it as it would take me ages to to relocate it, and the site has changed that much now... it was in some report (and I have lost my book marks ) I was shown the link about 4 or 5 years ago...

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Yup , I reckon we need to stamp our feet,do something completely differnt .....Make a point of differance from the rest & say right, you lot are on a road to nowhere & we aint going to follow.Go with this sustainable thing & bring back some morals......

If 1/3 of the earths population said "NO MORE" then the powers that be listen, and start to tighten their grip. If 50% said "NO" then they would know they are losing and start the bad shit... if 90% said "NO.." there would be nothing they could really do... that simply includes the armed forces also saying "No..." so they have no power... if 6 billion said no to the 1 million in power... whats side would you want to be on.

It is us who given them that power through fear and control us allowing them to manipulate us... just like in Star Wars (yes me a geek of Sci Fi) The Jedi's hide there fear, and anger... and as Luke is in front of the Emperor the Emperor says "release your anger and hate..." and you see the Emperor feed off it...

[Edbear]

Absolutely.

Ok, so guns don't kill people, people do. What's the most common use for a gun other than livestock etc...? and someone had to pay for that gun to be made. they aren't free you know.

Like I said, it's a people problem. Take money out of it and those who crave power, prestige and wealth, would substitute. People need basic necessities and the power hungry would seek to control those necessities as they do now. Society needs laws and regulations and the greedy will continue to seek ways to flout the law or to use it to their advantage. Witness countries without money and wealth, and corruption and oppression are rife as are prejudice and class distinctions.

If your foundations suddenly lost funding from their benefactor, I dare say they'd be singing a different tune. Mainly because of the harm that would be caused to those who end up paying for it when the services just stop.

The Fred Hollows Foundation is a group who volunteer their time and their skill at no charge and pay out of their own pockets to operate on the poor in the South Pacific who need eye surgery yet will never be able to access such of their own accord. It is true altruism and unselfish action by genuinely concerned people.

Dig deep enough on the NASA website, and it shows that all the planets in the solar system are going through the same change... (which tells me the sun is up to something) but since they can not tax you on that they don't make public and hide it deep with in the site but still accessable... this way they can say well we didn't hide the info (and don't ask me to find it as it would take me ages to to relocate it, and the site has changed that much now... it was in some report (and I have lost my book marks ) I was shown the link about 4 or 5 years ago...

There is increased Sunspot activity, that is one factor, and the permafrost in Siberia has begun to melt. It is unstoppable and is releasing huge amounts of greenhouse gases that will affect the atmosphere. As I said, the global warming phenomenon may or may not be significantly affected by man's activities, but regardless, it is happening and yes, some will make profit from it. Again it is down to greed and short-sighted selfishness.

Who was it who cut down the last tree on Easter Island forcing the evacuation of it as no longer sustainably inhabitable? Didn't they know that cutting down the trees would lead to that? Didn't they see the destruction of the very environment they depended upon? Why didn't they stop and find an alternative that would allow them to remain there? Man is destroying the rainforests at the rate of a football field every second. So far, 90% of the forestation has been destroyed and no-one is going to stop it until it is all gone.

TV3 did a story a while ago showing satellite imagery of how much has gone. Scary stuff! Back in the early days of space exploration, astronaughts commented on how the Earth looked truly like a jewel in space, now they say it is a dirty looking jewel, nowhere near as pristine as it was 40years ago. Don't underestimate the ability of mankind to destroy himself.

[Edbear]

... Ok, so guns don't kill people, people do. What's the most common use for a gun other than livestock etc...? and someone had to pay for that gun to be made. they aren't free you know.

If your foundations suddenly lost funding from their benefactor, I dare say they'd be singing a different tune. Mainly because of the harm that would be caused to those who end up paying for it when the services just stop.

Dig deep enough on the NASA website, and it shows that all the planets in the solar system are going through the same change... (which tells me the sun is up to something) but since they can not tax you on that they don't make public and hide it deep with in the site but still accessable... this way they can say well we didn't hide the info (and don't ask me to find it as it would take me ages to to relocate it, and the site has changed that much now... it was in some report (and I have lost my book marks ) I was shown the link about 4 or 5 years ago...

Absolutely.

Ok, so guns don't kill people, people do. What's the most common use for a gun other than livestock etc...? and someone had to pay for that gun to be made. they aren't free you know.

Like I said, it's a people problem. Take money out of it and those who crave power, prestige and wealth, would substitute. People need basic necessities and the power hungry would seek to control those necessities as they do now. Society needs laws and regulations and the greedy will continue to seek ways to flout the law or to use it to their advantage. Witness countries without money and wealth, and corruption and oppression are rife as are prejudice and class distinctions.

If your foundations suddenly lost funding from their benefactor, I dare say they'd be singing a different tune. Mainly because of the harm that would be caused to those who end up paying for it when the services just stop.

The Fred Hollows Foundation is a group who volunteer their time and their skill at no charge and pay out of their own pockets to operate on the poor in the South Pacific who need eye surgery yet will never be able to access such of their own accord. It is true altruism and unselfish action by genuinely concerned people.

Dig deep enough on the NASA website, and it shows that all the planets in the solar system are going through the same change... (which tells me the sun is up to something) but since they can not tax you on that they don't make public and hide it deep with in the site but still accessable... this way they can say well we didn't hide the info (and don't ask me to find it as it would take me ages to to relocate it, and the site has changed that much now... it was in some report (and I have lost my book marks ) I was shown the link about 4 or 5 years ago...

There is increased Sunspot activity, that is one factor, and the permafrost in Siberia has begun to melt. It is unstoppable and is releasing huge amounts of greenhouse gases that will affect the atmosphere. As I said, the global warming phenomenon may or may not be significantly affected by man's activities, but regardless, it is happening and yes, some will make profit from it. Again it is down to greed and short-sighted selfishness.

Who was it who cut down the last tree on Easter Island forcing the evacuation of it as no longer sustainably inhabitable? Didn't they know that cutting down the trees would lead to that? Didn't they see the destruction of the very environment they depended upon? Why didn't they stop and find an alternative that would allow them to remain there? Man is destroying the rainforests at the rate of a football field every second. So far, 90% of the forestation has been destroyed and no-one is going to stop it until it is all gone.

TV3 did a story a while ago showing satellite imagery of how much has gone. Scary stuff! Back in the early days of space exploration, astronaughts commented on how the Earth looked truly like a jewel in space, now they say it is a dirty looking jewel, nowhere near as pristine as it was 40years ago. Don't underestimate the ability of mankind to destroy himself.

[mashman]

Dig deep enough on the NASA website, and it shows that all the planets in the solar system are going through the same change... (which tells me the sun is up to something) but since they can not tax you on that they don't make public and hide it deep with in the site but still accessable... this way they can say well we didn't hide the info (and don't ask me to find it as it would take me ages to to relocate it, and the site has changed that much now... it was in some report (and I have lost my book marks ) I was shown the link about 4 or 5 years ago...

I like to have a watch on this every now and then... get some amazing cosmic events on video, if you haven't seen it that is. http://www.solarcycle24.com/

[mashman]

Like I said, it's a people problem. Take money out of it and those who crave power, prestige and wealth, would substitute. People need basic necessities and the power hungry would seek to control those necessities as they do now. Society needs laws and regulations and the greedy will continue to seek ways to flout the law or to use it to their advantage. Witness countries without money and wealth, and corruption and oppression are rife as are prejudice and class distinctions.

Put it this way. If the power hungry try to get to the top of the heap for their own gain at the cost of another, in a finalncial free society with robust laws and no money, they will find power hard to come by. Money keeps people occupied... and not for their own good either.

The Fred Hollows Foundation is a group who volunteer their time and their skill at no charge and pay out of their own pockets to operate on the poor in the South Pacific who need eye surgery yet will never be able to access such of their own accord. It is true altruism and unselfish action by genuinely concerned people.

Truly good on them. shame there arent many may many many more like them.

We may well have the capacity to destroy the planet, but somewhere a line has to be drawn and those who would like a crack at sorting society out should be allowed. Or at the least allow society to be better prepared for the beatings that "mother nature" will throw at us.

[Pixie]

No point in discussing an alternative economic system.
This civilisation will come to an end,just as all previous civilisations have.

And it will not be through war, but by some innocuous cause,like a flu epidemic, that prevents the world's truck drivers going to work for a week.

[Edbear]

No point in discussing an alternative economic system.
This civilisation will come to an end,just as all previous civilisations have.

And it will not be through war, but by some innocuous cause,like a flu epidemic, that prevents the world's truck drivers going to work for a week.

Could be of many causes. However as devstating as a flu epidemic or other sickness would be, that wouldn't be enough to wipe out a civilisation. If you monitor the world's trend over the past few hundred years, what is happening is increasing anarchy and civil unrest. People are becoming more reactionary and violent and less tolerant. People are less concerned with external matters and more concerned with self. Society is becoming more introverted.

Much as with the Roman empire, it was the breakdown of society and unity that led to its downfall. Only this time it is the whole world, not one nation. It's global and affects everyone, everywhere. New Zealand and Australia are insulated to a degree you wouldn't understand until you have a good look at Europe and the UK, the African continent and the USA. Talk to people from Germany, the Middle East, and Douth Africa and see what is happening there and you'll begin to appreciate just how serious the situation is. We don't know we are alive here.

[mashman]

Could be of many causes. However as devstating as a flu epidemic or other sickness would be, that wouldn't be enough to wipe out a civilisation. If you monitor the world's trend over the past few hundred years, what is happening is increasing anarchy and civil unrest. People are becoming more reactionary and violent and less tolerant. People are less concerned with external matters and more concerned with self. Society is becoming more introverted.

Much as with the Roman empire, it was the breakdown of society and unity that led to its downfall. Only this time it is the whole world, not one nation. It's global and affects everyone, everywhere. New Zealand and Australia are insulated to a degree you wouldn't understand until you have a good look at Europe and the UK, the African continent and the USA. Talk to people from Germany, the Middle East, and Douth Africa and see what is happening there and you'll begin to appreciate just how serious the situation is. We don't know we are alive here.

I came from the UK 3 odd years ago. I understand what you're talking about and it we are doomed, i'd rather have a shot at a life without the influence of money... something that has never been tried before. The reason there's so much discord these days is because there are a shitload more of us. And that shitload are not part of that top 3 percent. To a certain degree the hostility is all towards the have's and this is seen as jealousy (sorry, i'm talking modern day and my experience is actually talking to people) by those have's. In all honesty the looking into the past only shows us that a financial system doesn't work.

Don't knock it til you've tried it... but we won't try it because the MINORITY, won't let us, because they can't see how it can be done. If that's the case then your children and your grandchildren and their kids blah blah will feel the full impact of a MINOIRTY that wants nothing more than money. We have screamed for equality for how many years? And you inow see before you 4 or 5 guys, on a bike forum, that believe they can do things "smarter". We can do it, I have no doubt, but will the politicians allow us to do it? Probably not because there's no money involved is the cynics way out, but I think they won't because they know it'll work.... they're not stupid after all. But how do your rouse a country into doing things a different way without MONEY??? you can't. So in my eyes, money trumps human innovation, warps human attitudes, brainwashes those that think it can't be done without money. Bullshit? No, I live with such a person. Her heart is mine, but her mind is hers and I haven't been able to change it. I have a theory as to why though. It's because she uses it every day with 3 kids to look after, she budgets the household and cannot conceive of being able to do that without money.

I understand what you mean about humans and power and influence and greedetc... but we all promote greed. You see it on this site nearly every day when people say, study hard, you can be what you want, if you don't have enough, educate yourself and go and get MORE... we encourage greed because we all realise that to get MORE, in this day and age, means long hard hours in the pursuit of MORE MONEY. What a waste of a human life and all of the resources it consumes, let alone the sacrifices made by their families... perhaps that's why kids are the way they are today... they don't get the attention they used to get. The lack of comprehension in this area leaves me stunned to my core. It's obvious that every day life cannot be conducted without money and it rules over that day even with it being an inanimate object, perpetuated by business searching for profit and individuals believing that their skills are that much better than yours or mine that they should be paid what we earn in a lifetime, but for a single years work. That's why people are pissed off Ed, that's why they've always been pissed off, even in Rome... I don't blame humans for it, because it's all they know, it's all they've ever known and the real scary thing is that intelligent people refuse to understand that and go and blame it on human weakness... that's a cop out of Epic proportions, file it in the too hard basket because you can't change people's minds and attitudes...

My name is Gordon, I am an ex sufferer of GovernMental Stockholm Syndrome... BUT I seem to be getting better as the days tick by...

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Could be of many causes. However as devstating as a flu epidemic or other sickness would be, that wouldn't be enough to wipe out a civilisation

The Illuminati want to cull the population to under one billion people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones (That would forefill many said Prophecies )

Whistle blowers say they the Illuminati have been trying to use viruses to cull the population.. Aids, Swine flu, avian flu etc... Then they come in with the cure... but apparently the cure they give enhances the flu and you die anyway... and those that get the good cure get a chip so you buy sell and trade... and before you know it we only have 500 million survivors... (then other conspiracies go in to chem trails which is supposidly doing the same thing to your immune system). The survivors are in their underground bases which are through out the world.

However then you again go to prophecy and religion and all that, that they will be cast to the pit the deeps of the earth... if you are in an underground base and get enclosed in there... bugger

Whistle blowers real or crack pots? don't know... real info or dis-info... again don't know... but standing back looking at the whole picture nothing would suprise me... So start looking at the big picture... things look differently, step back from that and the bigger picture things looks different again... try looking at the whole picture and nothing suprises you and is not what you see in front of you know. The lie is different on every level.

So... Was 9/11 a black flag operation so they could go to war on terror (terror caused by them) follow the money and thats the way it looks when you do follow the money. The control demolition of the towers, it could not have been done better... signs of thermite, knowing avation fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt the steel but thermite does. the images of of smaller explosions just before each layer compacts, the images of the steel that has a clean slice (thermite), building 7 wasn't hit, and wasn't realy anywhere near the towers...why did that colapse in a controled manner. There is no signs of any aircraft in the wreckage...? was it a cruise missle and the those that caught the plan on film part of the plot and before the release of the film it is digitally edited and then sent to fox...? the live feeds... were they really live? not a pre-recording

All this so they can go to war on terror (which in reality doesn't really exsist, except for the powers that be.) so they can expand it to cull... follow the money, step back for your one pixel point of view and take a look at the whole picture... and question everything... if the gooberment want to put up ACC what else are they doing while you are distracted... most likely taking away your personal rights and freedoms.


conspiracies good fun...

[mashman]

lots of stuff

Slightly OT - but, i'm curious as to why terrorists attack us these days?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Slightly OT - but, i'm curious as to why terrorists attack us these days?

aren't we all???

if you live in fear of a terrorist attack then they (the powers that be) can controll you easier in the matter of national security to protect your freedoms by slowly taking them away... The yanks put Saddam Husien in power give him the weapons for his army to fight Iran...(just as they did with hitler) now it was know that Saddam had doubles did they truly get the real one or a double and Saddam is now living in an underground base in the States ??? yep conspiracies fun...

But why apparently they don't like our freedoms, and our religon and because we are honkies I don't know... they come up with any excuse... yet you met the average person on the street in Iran or Iraq and they would feed you look after you if you were in trouble the average person is over there is getting feed a different but the same lie from the same people... yep conspiracies fun...