Jacque Fresco on TVNZ now (Wed 14 April)

[mashman]

I suppose there are plenty of reasons... Would love to ask them why... ya know, see if there's a common ground that woiuld allow us all to lay down our sticks and just get on with life. I must be losing my marbles to want to listen to the grievances of terrorists/freedom fighters... everyone else just seems to want to continue the "war"... But i would still like to hear it from the horses mouth.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I suppose there are plenty of reasons... Would love to ask them why... ya know, see if there's a common ground that woiuld allow us all to lay down our sticks and just get on with life. I must be losing my marbles to want to listen to the grievances of terrorists/freedom fighters... everyone else just seems to want to continue the "war"... But i would still like to hear it from the horses mouth.

We do have comman ground... we are all human... we all live on the same planet... we all want peace... problem is the powers that are so called in control want something different and that is world domanance... New World Order... Dawn of the new age, Dawn of a new world, (every president has said something similar since the 40's in there first speech) The dawn... the rising sun... Japan and the rising sun... hmmmmm the signs are there and have always been there... they are all controlled by the same pupeteers... (see now I sound like the nut drap job )

Terrorist or freedom fighter... depends on your point of few...

[mashman]

No point in discussing an alternative economic system.
This civilisation will come to an end,just as all previous civilisations have.

And it will not be through war, but by some innocuous cause,like a flu epidemic, that prevents the world's truck drivers going to work for a week.

I'm not disputing that "fact", but what I do dispute is using it as an excuse not to ring in the changes. That being the case. Wouoldn't you prefer to try something else? and as it turns out, something new?

[mashman]

We do have comman ground... we are all human... we all live on the same planet... we all want peace... problem is the powers that are so called in control want something different and that is world domanance... New World Order... Dawn of the new age, Dawn of a new world, (every president has said something similar since the 40's in there first speech) The dawn... the rising sun... Japan and the rising sun... hmmmmm the signs are there and have always been there... they are all controlled by the same pupeteers... (see now I sound like the nut drap job )

Terrorist or freedom fighter... depends on your point of few...

Perhaps the thread should have been Titled "The Cuckoo's Nest"...

Wether it's the NWO plan coming to fruition or not. Our government is our government. We could choose to replace it by peaceful force if neccesary, but we don't out of respect for each and every individual in the country. Unfortunately these indivuduals are well and truly brainwashed into thinking that life without a financial system can't work... I call bullshit. Tribes in Rainforests, tribes in the chinese mountains, tribes in deserts etc... there are those who live very happy lives, cooperating for an existence without a financial system.

So what's the problem NZ... Cat got your tongue? Already filed in the too hard basket?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Perhaps the thread should have been Titled "The Cuckoo's Nest"...

Wether it's the NWO plan coming to fruition or not. Our government is our government. We could choose to replace it by peaceful force if neccesary, but we don't out of respect for each and every individual in the country. Unfortunately these indivuduals are well and truly brainwashed into thinking that life without a financial system can't work... I call bullshit. Tribes in Rainforests, tribes in the chinese mountains, tribes in deserts etc... there are those who live very happy lives, cooperating for an existence without a financial system.

So what's the problem NZ... Cat got your tongue? Already filed in the too hard basket?

Totally agree... (on all points including cookoo ) . but htere is no point just voting them out and being replaced withe same people but different mask... to make change happen you have to get the financial system to fail (that may be easier than you think because (the cookoo NWO) want the same thing and then become our rescuers with the new system but not the one we want... the one they have in plan and which is still a monitory system... money, credit, to buy sell or trade is a form of control and power in any sense.

Our money is not even real it is not backed by gold or siler or anything it is just a credit system.

The best way is so show people it is possible to live and be truly free with out any form of money to get rich so you have more power and status to control... to wake them up from their we dream land and show them the real world... yes the Matrix... and the symbology of the battery what they got turned into... Power... power to control.... the machines = the system we are in... very symbolic (as most sci-fi movies are...)

Then again I been saying this crap all my life so I am just a crap pot that rides a motorbike...

[oldrider]

Our money is not even real it is not backed by gold or siler or anything it is just a credit system.

I think you will find that it is a "debt system", rather than a "credit system".

Every new $dollar created, is created as an "interest bearing debt", a debt considerably larger than that originally intended!

The only thing backing the new (interest bearing) dollar created is the ability of the borrower to produce goods and services.

Because of the interest bearing debt is larger than the cost of the goods and services produced, consumption is therefore impossible!

New money is only needed to increase production, the only reason for any production, is consumption!

If there is not enough money in circulation to balance production and consumption, the system is flawed.

That is why we continue to experience wars booms and busts in our economies!

The controllers of the situation manipulate need and exploit the impending greed.

Because we do not collectively understand what is happening, we become fearful of our future and for that of our loved ones.

The controllers use media to exploit and spread the fear and divide us by offering conflicting solutions of their own making.

In the confusion the masses fight amongst themselves and cement the controllers firmly in charge, to the detriment of everyone!

A and B fighting for the benefit of C. (where "C" equals "controller")

You gotta hand it to them, they play us like puppets on a string and we defend them like a drunk defends his bottle!

Money system's should be the servant of it's people, not the people being servant to the system!

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I think you will find that it is a "debt system", rather than a "credit system".

Every new $dollar created, is created as an "interest bearing debt", a debt considerably larger than that originally intended!

The only thing backing the new (interest bearing) dollar created is the ability of the borrower to produce goods and services.

Because of the interest bearing debt is larger than the cost of the goods and services produced, consumption is therefore impossible!

New money is only needed to increase production, the only reason for any production, is consumption!

If there is not enough money in circulation to balance production and consumption, the system is flawed.

That is why we continue to experience wars booms and busts in our economies!

The controllers of the situation manipulate need and exploit the impending greed.

Because we do not collectively understand what is happening, we become fearful of our future and for that of our loved ones.

The controllers use media to exploit and spread the fear and divide us by offering conflicting solutions of their own making.

In the confusion the masses fight amongst themselves and cement the controllers firmly in charge, to the detriment of everyone!

A and B fighting for the benefit of C. (where "C" equals "controller")

You gotta hand it to them, they play us like puppets on a string and we defend them like a drunk defends his bottle!

Money system's should be the servant of it's people, not the people being servant to the system!

basicallywhat been saying all along really and hence why i have always Hated the system...

[mashman]

A and B fighting for the benefit of C. (where "C" equals "controller")

You gotta hand it to them, they play us like puppets on a string and we defend them like a drunk defends his bottle!

Money system's should be the servant of it's people, not the people being servant to the system!

Irrespective of who/m the "controller/s" is/are, which I find plenty disturbing that the entity could and most probably does, it takes a lot to sway a human mind doesn't it? we're not that gullable are we? We're all in control of our own lives and are beholden to no person?