Jacque Fresco on TVNZ now (Wed 14 April)

[mashman]

(well on close up tonight) this should be interesting...

[scissorhands]

Ha! whats the bet they make him look like a nutter, thanks for that!

[mashman]

that's the bit i'm looking forward to... be fun to read what the "great minds" think...

[Edbear]

Interesting chap! Hard to believe he's 94!

[R6_kid:Me]

Interesting chap! Hard to believe he's 94!

I would have said 60's - 70's at most!

[Edbear]

I would have said 60's - 70's at most!

I reckon he's a good advert for being fascinated and interested in life and enthusiastic about stuff, keeping the mind bright and active! He seems to have so much energy and enthusiasm!

Some of his ideas are worth thinking about, too!

[mashman]

Been there, seen life, all of life, probaby had quite a few t-shirts and all he promotes is a vision...

I ask you all to think about 1 single question, maybe 2:

1: What facet of your life is not "stifled" by money?
B: Does the B thing bother you... watch the bee movie... yes i'm serious . (for me the 1 sting and your dead. Life's short, do something truly glorious with your spare time theme came across).
?: What is the aim of a business? (for me, to make money)
2: And then ask, Where does it come from? (for me, where do the banks get it?)
3: What else could I be doing? (me home dad please)
4: Without money, what couldn't be achieved? (free education, healthcare, free everything as long as we each just do something, hours will vary, but hey, EVERYONE will be looked after and cared for)

But who's cares, i'm fuckin mad

My read between the lines is "he should be way more than just promoting a vision... that's a normal way of life to me... why is he not THE consultant to every government. That attitude COULD do much more for this planet in 2 years, than any government could achieve in a million lifetimes."

Huggies and dribbles.

[mashman]

I reckon he's a good advert for being fascinated and interested in life and enthusiastic about stuff, keeping the mind bright and active! He seems to have so much energy and enthusiasm!

Some of his ideas are worth thinking about, too!

It's because he sees, in plain and simple terms, doom, pain and more doom for the human race and time is fleeting. And rightly so.

It's not his ideas he's promoting Ed, it OUR IDEAS, ALL OF OUR IDEAS, hopefully much less fucked up versions than the ones we have at the moment.

I ask you Ed. If you had one generation of children, form birth to X without money troubles what could you achieve in NZ?... or what couldn't you achieve with that generation. Look good and hard at this one.

[Edbear]

It's because he sees, in plain and simple terms, doom, pain and more doom for the human race and time is fleeting. And rightly so.

It's not his ideas he's promoting Ed, it OUR IDEAS, ALL OF OUR IDEAS, hopefully much less fucked up versions than the ones we have at the moment.

I ask you Ed. If you had one generation of children, form birth to X without money troubles what could you achieve in NZ?... or what couldn't you achieve with that generation. Look good and hard at this one.

Go on... Time is fleeting and by the time you've grown up and rectified the circumstances of your birth and upbringing and found out who you are and where to head, coped with setbacks and ill health and being preoccupied with marriage and bringing up children, you get to be too old to do what you could have done.

He's 94 years old and look how far he's got. He's not the first, and won't be the last to put forward ideals that are thoughtful nor seek to influence for the good. You make the point that we all want a better life, a more secure life, a more peaceful life. We want technology to work for us, not against us, and all these things are what most people want. Real question is why haven't we got it? After all it can be done, can it not?

[MisterD]

The bloke what makes the exhausts?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Download and watch both Zeitgeist doco's

They are free to download...

[scissorhands]

Go on... Time is fleeting and by the time you've grown up and rectified the circumstances of your birth and upbringing and found out who you are and where to head, coped with setbacks and ill health and being preoccupied with marriage and bringing up children, you get to be too old to do what you could have done.

He's 94 years old and look how far he's got. He's not the first, and won't be the last to put forward ideals that are thoughtful nor seek to influence for the good. You make the point that we all want a better life, a more secure life, a more peaceful life. We want technology to work for us, not against us, and all these things are what most people want. Real question is why haven't we got it? After all it can be done, can it not?

Thanks for that. Why haven't we got that? Fuedal siverbacks? Let the chicks run the show more...

[mashman]

He's 94 years old and look how far he's got. He's not the first, and won't be the last to put forward ideals that are thoughtful nor seek to influence for the good. You make the point that we all want a better life, a more secure life, a more peaceful life. We want technology to work for us, not against us, and all these things are what most people want. Real question is why haven't we got it? After all it can be done, can it not?

I'm not parrotting his "party line". On it's own merit, why isn't it possible? Life will go on, you'll need cops, people well be dickheads and arses and fuckwits (less so without money i reckon)... it's a FACT of life. That doesn't stop us all working for money does it?

[scissorhands]

Honestly, check out matrolineal societies and crime

[Edbear]

Thanks for that. Why haven't we got that? Fuedal siverbacks? Let the chicks run the show more...

I'm not parrotting his "party line". On it's own merit, why isn't it possible? Life will go on, you'll need cops, people well be dickheads and arses and fuckwits (less so without money i reckon)... it's a FACT of life. That doesn't stop us all working for money does it?

Money is necessary and we all work for it and we all want or need just that much more.

Obviously we need a societal structure with governance and communication and laws. Human history demonstrates that Man has tried about every form of rule you can imagine with varying degrees of success or failure.

Could we have a civilisation without money? Is it possible to have a society where everyone works for the common good? Could we develop technology with the betterment of society as the motivating force?

John Lennon asked the question a long time ago in song, (Imagine), but no-one has come up with a practical answer as yet. The fact is that despite the majority wanting these things few can agree on how to achieve them, and too many are selfishly motivated. Altruism and self-sacrifice are not the dominant forces in human beings unfortunately.