My first poll for the NZ public

[mashman]

I dunno, it's nice to be able to buy things from overseas without having to train 8 goats to swim...

Also, don't forget that second no category eh...

Money will still be generated by the country for overseas trade... we just won't use it in the local economy.

have you read how that second No category is worded? Technically it's a yes

[bogan]

Money will still be generated by the country for overseas trade... we just won't use it in the local economy.

have you read how that second No category is worded? Technically it's a yes

So to get some fancy motorycle parts that they only sell overseas I have to ask the government pretty please? Or will I get an allotment of overseas money to use?

Technically, it's a bull shit poll category, the whole poll is bullshit as it overlooks the most important aspect, which is would you want to.

[mashman]

So to get some fancy motorycle parts that they only sell overseas I have to ask the government pretty please? Or will I get an allotment of overseas money to use?

Technically, it's a bull shit poll category, the whole poll is bullshit as it overlooks the most important aspect, which is would you want to.

I know this may seem like a radical idea, but bear with me. The motorcycle shop might have one in stock or failing that they'll order one in for you. I know I know, I'm dreamin.

Erm, you did read the question, right?

[bogan]

I know this may seem like a radical idea, but bear with me. The motorcycle shop might have one in stock or failing that they'll order one in for you. I know I know, I'm dreamin.

Erm, you did read the question, right?

Yeh, but who allocates that much money from our overseas trade to the bike shop for fancy parts?

The question was would you, which can be interpreted in two way, would you want to, or would you put up with it. Like I could ask would you live in NZ if they put taxes up 3%, sure would, but that doesn't mean I want it to happen.

[mashman]

Yeh, but who allocates that much money from our overseas trade to the bike shop for fancy parts?

The question was would you, which can be interpreted in two way, would you want to, or would you put up with it. Like I could ask would you live in NZ if they put taxes up 3%, sure would, but that doesn't mean I want it to happen.

How does it currently happen?

So which version did everyone use?

[bogan]

How does it currently happen?

So which version did everyone use?

With me giving them money. Do you mean every importer has to also be a goat exchange, so I can give them my 7 goats, which they will swap with the government for an allocation of overseas trade revenue to buy my bike parts then?

Dunno, but chances are if you have to ask the participants follow up questions to make sense of the answer, it was a shit poll to begin with.

[mashman]

With me giving them money. Do you mean every importer has to also be a goat exchange, so I can give them my 7 goats, which they will swap with the government for an allocation of overseas trade revenue to buy my bike parts then?

Dunno, but chances are if you have to ask the participants follow up questions to make sense of the answer, it was a shit poll to begin with.

No goats required. I guess no one's really in to bikes enough to want to cater for others unless there's a buck in it. Still, there's always No.8 wire and that really sticky silver shite.

There is that chance... although seeking clarification in the form of a follow up question could highlight that the person asking the question doesn't want to make a mistake and choose the only stupid answer in the poll when a straight, or gay, No option was provided. Just covering the bases like. Anyway, they should ban that poll shit and just let us fight it out. I bags the rocket launcher and the sniper rifle.

[bogan]

No goats required. I guess no one's really in to bikes enough to want to cater for others unless there's a buck in it. Still, there's always No.8 wire and that really sticky silver shite.

There is that chance... although seeking clarification in the form of a follow up question could highlight that the person asking the question doesn't want to make a mistake and choose the only stupid answer in the poll when a straight, or gay, No option was provided. Just covering the bases like. Anyway, they should ban that poll shit and just let us fight it out. I bags the rocket launcher and the sniper rifle.

And this is why you're one of only a very few pushing for the financial system to be dropped. Quite simply because it works, it facilitates and encourages trade, so we live with greater access to goods and technology than we would otherwise have. It's certainly not ideal, but far ahead of any other options being put forward.

[mashman]

And this is why you're one of only a very few pushing for the financial system to be dropped. Quite simply because it works, it facilitates and encourages trade, so we live with greater access to goods and technology than we would otherwise have. It's certainly not ideal, but far ahead of any other options being put forward.

Coz none of that would take place because money doesn't exist? Why wouldn't we have goods and technology if money didn't exist? I disagree that it's far ahead. It's old and tired and allows people to die every second of the day. I don't call that being far ahead of a system that will not only stop many of those who are dying every second, but will also not push people into bankruptcy/poverty because they became ill, won't knock them back for healthcare because they are deemed to have had a prior condition, won't be used as a reason to go to war etc... Me thinks your classification chip is malfunctioning.

[bogan]

Coz none of that would take place because money doesn't exist? Why wouldn't we have goods and technology if money didn't exist? I disagree that it's far ahead. It's old and tired and allows people to die every second of the day. I don't call that being far ahead of a system that will not only stop many of those who are dying every second, but will also not push people into bankruptcy/poverty because they became ill, won't knock them back for healthcare because they are deemed to have had a prior condition, won't be used as a reason to go to war etc... Me thinks your classification chip is malfunctioning.

Didn't you just say I'd have to go without fancy bike parts? So no, that wouldn't take place. You still haven't actually explained anything about an alternative system, so I can't comment on the rest.

[mashman]

Didn't you just say I'd have to go without fancy bike parts? So no, that wouldn't take place. You still haven't actually explained anything about an alternative system, so I can't comment on the rest.

Not that I remember. And isn't that a followup question?

To put it as simply as possible. A simple agreement is entered into by a vote. I will continue to do what I do during my day if you will. This means that the chains of supply and demand are not broken. Everything gets to where it needs to go, because it already does, including bike parts. that is our social contract.

Monetary value will be "virtualised" in that money will not exist be used in the local NZ economy.

Local Economy: Any good/service/whatever that is produced in NZ for the local economy will have its associated costs added to NZ Inc's balance sheet, as it currently is.

Global Economy: Any good that is sold overseas will be paid for using money (coz they'll be using money) and will be added to NZ Inc's balance sheet, as it currently is. Any Import that is bought will be paid for using money that NZ Inc has on its balance sheet. The price of that good will fluctuate, but that won't matter, because it will be free to NZers.

The function of government: To facilitate the requests of NZ communities as the govt will hold the overall RBE stock list.

[scumdog]

have you read how that second No category is worded? Technically it's a yes

Hence why I couldn't be bothered with the 'poll'.

[bogan]

Not that I remember. And isn't that a followup question?

To put it as simply as possible. A simple agreement is entered into by a vote. I will continue to do what I do during my day if you will. This means that the chains of supply and demand are not broken. Everything gets to where it needs to go, because it already does, including bike parts. that is our social contract.

Monetary value will be "virtualised" in that money will not exist be used in the local NZ economy.

Local Economy: Any good/service/whatever that is produced in NZ for the local economy will have its associated costs added to NZ Inc's balance sheet, as it currently is.

Global Economy: Any good that is sold overseas will be paid for using money (coz they'll be using money) and will be added to NZ Inc's balance sheet, as it currently is. Any Import that is bought will be paid for using money that NZ Inc has on its balance sheet. The price of that good will fluctuate, but that won't matter, because it will be free to NZers.

The function of government: To facilitate the requests of NZ communities as the govt will hold the overall RBE stock list.

It was only like 3 posts ago. And what is wrong with follow up questions, it wasn't my poll.

No goats required. I guess no one's really in to bikes enough to want to cater for others unless there's a buck in it. Still, there's always No.8 wire and that really sticky silver shite.

A few problems:
Without money, who decides who gets what?
Without pay, why should those who dislike their job keep working?

[SMOKEU]

I'm struggling to see any benefits of this that extend to users instead of early adopters.

The currency more subject to supply/demand/investment inflation/deflation like all others, more so since it is a new thing. It's subject to high infrastructure demands, and unable to acheive the number of transactions of other popular methods. Because it will never achieve the transaction rates, it will never replace standard currency, and will thus be dependent on in it to calculate its exchange rate and value.

It'd be nice to have a super low fee and anonymous system for international transactions. But why all the bullshit with mining, increasing mining difficulty, network and power infrastructure loads, and wildly fluctuating exchange rates?

Bitcoin n00bs can still get a reasonable return at current rates. If you buy a small ASIC for say, NZ$1000 including shipping, tax etc, then at the current difficulty rates you can cash out every month (or more) if you like and enjoy your payout. Or, you could hold on to them for a while. The electricity costs are small and you could pay off the hardware after a few months (you can do the calculations yourself to figure out the hash rate vs current BTC value at the exchanges, then you will know how many BTC you will mine every day at current difficulty levels which gives you an accurate $ amount you're getting at current prices. Then you can see what they're worth in "real" money for reassurance). Like any investment, it's a risk and not a "get rich quick scheme".

The "mining" is not bullshit, it's the amount of work the miners have put into maintaining the block chain. If everyone could just write a script to generate 10,000,000 Bitcoins all at once, the project would be laughable and useless. There has to be a certain cost or difficulty in obtaining the resource (BTC in this case), or they won't be worth anything, just like precious metals. I'm not sure if you're aware that there is a finite amount of Bitcoins that will ever be generated, which is 21,000,000. I suggest you read this.

[scumdog]

A few problems:
Without money, who decides who gets what?
Without pay, why should those who dislike their job keep working?

True.

"I don't want to work in the dag cruching plant any more - I want to work in a fashion shop selling knickers to hot chicks and helping them to get the right bra size"