My first poll for the NZ public

[mashman]

The current systems have been around since.....at least Egyptian times, some one at the top....lots of slaves at the bottom. These days it chained to a desk 8 hours a day and fed

Tele in the evenings. Still 3 weeks in India soon may give me an appreciation for the current system.

Aye... not really much of a fan of the hours, but when needs must.

India. Noice. Must do that one day.

[FJRider]

or ghonnoroea.

or ... Gonorrhea.

English your second language .. ??

[Akzle]

or ... Gonorrhea.

English your second language .. ??

ne'er had much occasion to need to spell it...

[FJRider]

ne'er had much occasion to need to spell it...

I have no doubt of your lack of need to spell it .. the medical staff that treated you for it ... would be more educated than you anyway ...

[Brian d marge]

I was in the USSR briefly in 1989. Communism is where the population throws out a Monarchy or other system, a small group say they are not like them and will share the power.
The small group then run the place into the ground as using a stick is less motivating than using a carrot, and they hog what little wealth the poorly run state enterprises generate...oh and add corruption , lots of that.
Its a rubbish idea and best in the dustbin of history.
Moscow and Leningrad had some nice buildings but the Soviet era added nothing.

Socialism, in hindsight I think New Zealand had that up until Roger Fucking Douglas and his lot got into power.
Could not buy anything from overseas
Had to buy Made in New Zealand inferior products so as to keep work in the provinces
Houses were places you lived in rather than bought and sold for huge profits.
Public transport was what you used when the car was broken.

Might not have been socialism or even communisim
More totalitarian

Now one does wonder where the money came from

Lenin wasnt exactly a donald trump and the pesants needed cake





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[Voltaire]

Might not have been socialism or even communisim
More totalitarian

Now one does wonder where the money came from

Lenin wasnt exactly a donald trump and the pesants needed cake





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If WW1 was now, it would be a case of the US and the UK funding a known terrorist to overthrow the Russian Govt so as to win the war against Germany, and of course once done they would fall in line with the UK and US way of doing business.
I can't be bothered Googling it but that's the most likely scenario....oh and US Jewish money and some Zionists were probably involved and oh Big Oil.

[mashman]

Ends@1:22

[oldrider]

If WW1 was now, it would be a case of the US and the UK funding a known terrorist to overthrow the Russian Govt so as to win the war against Germany, and of course once done they would fall in line with the UK and US way of doing business.
I can't be bothered Googling it but that's the most likely scenario....oh and US Jewish money and some Zionists were probably involved and oh Big Oil.

There is never a shortage of money to finance war - that only happens in peace time!

WW1 was similar to the current war on terror - safely concentrated over there and continuously making money!

Germany had all but won WW1 when the Zionists made a deal with the allies to influence USA into the war in exchange for Palestine! (Now Israel)

Balfour declaration 1917: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

That's part of the reason why Germany had such a shit on with the Jews after WW1.

History behind the Balfour Declaration: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_John.html

[husaberg]

There is never a shortage of money to finance war - that only happens in peace time!

WW1 was similar to the current war on terror - safely concentrated over there and continuously making money!

Germany had all but won WW1 when the Zionists made a deal with the allies to influence USA into the war in exchange for Palestine! (Now Israel)

Balfour declaration 1917: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

That's part of the reason why Germany had such a shit on with the Jews after WW1.

History behind the Balfour Declaration: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_John.html

Wow that's a pretty selective view of History Oldie
You missed a few points there.

The Treaty of Versailles and the 1921 London Schedule of Payments required Germany to pay 132 billion gold marks (US$33 billion) in reparations to cover civilian damage caused during the war. This figure was divided into three categories of bonds: A, B, and C. Of these, Germany was only required to pay towards 'A' and 'B' bonds totalling 50 billion marks (US$12.5 billion).
The remaining 'C' bonds, which Germany did not have to pay, were designed to deceive the Anglo-French public into believing Germany was being heavily fined and punished for the war.

Because of the lack of reparation payments by Germany, France occupied the Ruhr in 1923 to enforce payments, causing an international crisis that resulted in the implementation of the Dawes Plan in 1924.
This plan outlined a new payment method and raised international loans to help Germany to meet her reparation commitments.
Despite this, by 1928 Germany called for a new payment plan, resulting in the Young Plan that established the German reparation requirements at 112 billion marks (US$26.3 billion) and created a schedule of payments that would see Germany complete payments by 1988. With the collapse of the German economy in 1931, reparations were suspended for a year and in 1932 during the Lausanne Conference they were cancelled altogether
. Between 1919 and 1932, Germany paid less than 21 billion marks in reparations.

Because of the lack of reparation payments by Germany, France occupied the Ruhr in 1923 to enforce payments, causing an international crisis that resulted in the implementation of the Dawes Plan in 1924. This plan outlined a new payment method and raised international loans to help Germany to meet her reparation commitments. Despite this, by 1928 Germany called for a new payment plan, resulting in the Young Plan that established the German reparation requirements at 112 billion marks (US$26.3 billion) and created a schedule of payments that would see Germany complete payments by 1988. With the collapse of the German economy in 1931, reparations were suspended for a year and in 1932 during the Lausanne Conference they were cancelled altogether. Between 1919 and 1932, Germany paid less than 21 billion marks in reparations.

Note the other countries paid proportionally more in many cases

Between the signing of the Treaty of Neuilly-sur-Seine and April 1922, Bulgaria paid 173 million gold francs in reparations.[48]
In 1923, the Bulgarian reparation sum was revised downwards to 550 million gold francs, "plus a lump sum payment of 25 million francs for occupation costs".[49] Towards this figure,
Bulgaria paid 41 million gold francs between 1925 and 1929. In 1932, the Bulgarian reparation obligation was abandoned following the Lausanne Conference.[50]

Because Austria was "so impoverished" after the war, and because of the collapse of the Bank of Vienna, the country paid no reparations "beyond credits for transferred property".[49][51] Likewise, Hungary paid no reparations beyond coal deliveries because of the collapse of the Hungarian economy.[49][52] Turkish reparations had been "sharply limited in view of the magnitude of Turkish territorial losses". However, the Treaty of Sèvres was never ratified. When the Treaty of Lausanne was signed in 1923, Turkish reparations were "eliminated altogether".[49]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_reparations


The price of the war reparations pale in significance compared to the cost of the Peenemunde base for V weapon development.

The German V-weapons (V-1 and V-2) cost the equivalent of around USD $40 billion (2015 dollars), which was 50 per cent more than the Manhattan Project that produced the atomic bomb.[10]:178 6,048 V-2s were built, at a cost of approximately 100,000 Reichsmarks (GB£2,370,000 (2011)) each; 3,225 were launched. SS General Hans Kammler, who as an engineer had constructed several concentration camps including Auschwitz, had a reputation for brutality and had originated the idea of using concentration camp prisoners as slave laborers in the rocket program. More people died manufacturing the V-2 than were killed by its deployment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket

[oldrider]

I don't like to waste space with cut and paste - if anybody is interested or so inclined they can look it up for themselves.

Most people today think Israel has always been there and have no idea how much effort and anguish it took to get it established.

[husaberg]

I don't like to waste space with cut and paste - if anybody is interested or so inclined they can look it up for themselves.

Most people today think Israel has always been there and have no idea how much effort and anguish it took to get it established.

Did you actually waste the time and read it?
Did you know the reparations were so little compared to there other projects
Did you realise how little of it they actually paid.
The War reparations being so crippling is just Nazi and KKK Propaganda.

There is never a shortage of money to finance war - that only happens in peace time!

WW1 was similar to the current war on terror - safely concentrated over there and continuously making money!

Germany had all but won WW1 when the Zionists made a deal with the allies to influence USA into the war in exchange for Palestine! (Now Israel)

Balfour declaration 1917: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

That's part of the reason why Germany had such a shit on with the Jews after WW1.

History behind the Balfour Declaration: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_John.html

Out of interest Oldie how many of the millions of men women and children that the Nazis excucated during WW2 were bankers that supposedly according to you profited out of the ww1 reparations
have a think about it and then consider how racist and bigoted some of the stuff that you post is.

[oldrider]

I think you overestimate yourself - who appointed you KB history and thought police?

[husaberg]

I think you overestimate yourself - who appointed you KB history and thought police?

I wonder how many separate people have to say that what you post is racist before you finally figure out that what you post is both bigoted and racist.
Shame you never bothered to answer any of the questions it might have caused you to stop for a second and think.

[oldrider]

I wonder how many separate people have to say that what you post is racist before you finally figure out that what you post is both bigoted and racist.
Shame you never bothered to answer any of the questions it might have caused you to stop for a second and think.

Go and have a look at the man in the mirror - let he who is without sin cast the first stone! - Religious based comment - I think!

[bogan]

Go and have a look at the man in the mirror - let he who is without sin cast the first stone! - Religious based comment - I think!

Who calls husaberg racist?

Reckon you're up about 10:1 on that count