My first poll for the NZ public

[mashman]

Face to face maybe but you seem to enjoy it on here? So are you an active member of any political party?

Oh I'll happily stand my own ground face to face... but then when the sweary insults start flying, my smile can be seen. Why should I be sad about something as positive as RBE? I am currently an active member of a registered RBE advocating political party, yes.

[jonbuoy]

Oh I'll happily stand my own ground face to face... but then when the sweary insults start flying, my smile can be seen. Why should I be sad about something as positive as RBE? I am currently an active member of a registered RBE advocating political party, yes.

There we go an adult answer to a question

[TheDemonLord]

I thought you'd be that useless... but hey.

So, I take it you aren't going to ask the questions on my behalf?

Pity really, as I was interested in what they would give as answers, too bad that Religious Zealots tend to avoid the questions that they can't answer.

In reference to Jonbuoy's observations - I'll leave this here - see if you can work out which one you sound like (I'll give you a clue - its the lady who refuses to answer the questions that they don't like):

[TheDemonLord]

Its only scarce , if a perceived value is placed upon it and how can a balance be unbalanced? ...quote ; (even if said balance is unfair)

Sure, everything is a matter of perception when it comes to value, but if enough people perceive it to have value and that number exceeds Demand - then we see the Value increase,

Sea water is finite , but I'm unaware of any value....or scarcity..

Clearly you haven't talked to Greenpeace then

As for interest , the greatest fraud upon mankind ..... I have 10 marbles , all the marbles on the planet ,,,,I lend them to you at 10% interest ..... you must give me 11 marbles back ....

WHERE did that 11th marble come from???? did you suddenly create something from nothing ???

Ok say I , You cannot find 1 marble ..then you owe me ! 1 marble of your energy , after all you agreed to the debt .....

So from now on , you will be always striving to pay back that 11th marble ....because there is only 10 original marbles ...

Now , I have an inflation rate of 1 marble , each of my previous 10 marble are now devalued by 1/10 , i.e their purchasing power is 1 marble divided between and subtracted from my original 10 marbles ....( they ain't worth as much as before ) ...that imaginary marble , is exerting a lot of power ,,,,,,, perceived power

Try using a debt free system , or not paying a debt back ...... the fraudsters get well bent , Edward the 3rd to the peruchi family , One mad German , The melchivicks and two American presidents ....and they all had one thing in common.... a terminal headache

Stephen

Here's the answer to your riddle - which as you present looks superficially like a Catch 22, and for the purposes of my Answer - I'll assume that only you and I exist and I'll solve it with no extra Marbles created:


I've paid you back 10, I owe you one. I then use my Time and Skills to provide goods/services to you at a cost - lets say I fix your PC, and I charge you 3 Marbles (my rates aren't cheap). I then pay you back 1 Marble. I have paid you a total of 11 Marbles, my Debt is paid. Your net wealth is now at the 8 Marbles you have AND the 3 Marbles worth of services that you have consumed (in this case in the form of a working PC), I have 2 Marbles that I am free to spend as is my want.

Generation of Wealth 101 - Trading Time and skills.

[TheDemonLord]

Actually... does anyone here think there are groups of people who should get access to resources before they come up for general consumption?

Abso-fucking-Lutely - the People who got off their Arse to acquire said resources.

[TheDemonLord]

do you think any group of people should receive better resources than another?

Yes I do, If that group has contributed something of value to society.

[TheDemonLord]

Okay Last comment - apologies for the Multi posting.

Comes under logistics fucknugget. And I think I've proven that the logistics are in place but the money isn't. Your denial of such logic, reason and common sense shows just how fuckin dumb you really are. Just another rote learned moron.

According to what people want? The poll shows what people want. So, WTF are you talking about in regards to what people want?

Elites will stay Elite no matter what because they control the money supply and set the policy of distribution you fuckin moron.

Communism in disguise? Yet another scared old blind white muthafucka that's sorely out of touch with what people want... let alone what they'd be prepared to do in order to live RBE... let alone how economics actually work. You're an embarrassment. You have my pity.

What is hilarious is that from what Jin has written - we are at different ends of the Political spectrum - and yet, we both call your Snakeoil out for what it is.

Either we share a common delusion (which you will no doubt claim) or we share a common understanding, but by all means - keep avoiding the questions that you know you don't have answers for, it keeps reminding me of just how right I am and how wrong you are.

[mashman]

So, I take it you aren't going to ask the questions on my behalf?

Pity really, as I was interested in what they would give as answers, too bad that Religious Zealots tend to avoid the questions that they can't answer.

In reference to Jonbuoy's observations - I'll leave this here - see if you can work out which one you sound like (I'll give you a clue - its the lady who refuses to answer the questions that they don't like):

Attempt at justifying ones own lack of understanding

See, I answered your questions relatively thoroughly. That you didn't like the answers, oh irony of all irony's, doesn't mean that they weren't answered and very much in context. As such, why would I continue the discussion with you where clearly demonstrated that you are clearly not gaining any understanding of RBE at all? The Parable of The Pub.

[mashman]

Abso-fucking-Lutely - the People who got off their Arse to acquire said resources.

So that's a no from you then?

[mashman]

Yes I do, If that group has contributed something of value to society.

strike 2.....

[TheDemonLord]

See, I answered your questions relatively thoroughly. That you didn't like the answers, oh irony of all irony's, doesn't mean that they weren't answered and very much in context. As such, why would I continue the discussion with you where clearly demonstrated that you are clearly not gaining any understanding of RBE at all? The Parable of The Pub.

Your answer could be summed up as 'get more resources' which directly violates one the stipulations - so No, you didn't answer it.

When there is greater demand than supply - How does an RBE allocate resources that is not arbitrary and does not infringe on personal choice (without simply saying, we will get more resources).

[mashman]

What is hilarious is that from what Jin has written - we are at different ends of the Political spectrum - and yet, we both call your Snakeoil out for what it is.

Either we share a common delusion (which you will no doubt claim) or we share a common understanding, but by all means - keep avoiding the questions that you know you don't have answers for, it keeps reminding me of just how right I am and how wrong you are.

You're calling logic, reason and common sense snakeoil? Sounds like a fuckin stupid thing to say given the poll results thus far eh?

You're not delusional... you're merely out of date.

[Brian d marge]

Sure, everything is a matter of perception when it comes to value, but if enough people perceive it to have value and that number exceeds Demand - then we see the Value increase,



Clearly you haven't talked to Greenpeace then



Here's the answer to your riddle - which as you present looks superficially like a Catch 22, and for the purposes of my Answer - I'll assume that only you and I exist and I'll solve it with no extra Marbles created:


I've paid you back 10, I owe you one. I then use my Time and Skills to provide goods/services to you at a cost - lets say I fix your PC, and I charge you 3 Marbles (my rates aren't cheap). I then pay you back 1 Marble. I have paid you a total of 11 Marbles, my Debt is paid. Your net wealth is now at the 8 Marbles you have AND the 3 Marbles worth of services that you have consumed (in this case in the form of a working PC), I have 2 Marbles that I am free to spend as is my want.

Generation of Wealth 101 - Trading Time and skills.

Ummm no

It's impossible to do UNLESS u go into debt

sent for a divine source

[TheDemonLord]

Ummm no

It's impossible to do UNLESS u go into debt

sent for a divine source

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I just proved it was...

[mashman]

Your answer could be summed up as 'get more resources' which directly violates one the stipulations - so No, you didn't answer it.

When there is greater demand than supply - How does an RBE allocate resources that is not arbitrary and does not infringe on personal choice (without simply saying, we will get more resources).

Sorry, where did I say get more resources? Think you're looking for your usual strawman exit.

Intelligently. Something you have demonstrated yourself incapable of by not coming up with a single group that should receive priority for resource. Tis dead easy. My kids can answer it with more than 1 group.