My first poll for the NZ public

[Ocean1]

I have all the trappings of a modern society
Brand new car , bikes house etc

Is that success???

Don't care. But I'm not the one pretending whatever I've got is down to someone else.

And still what amazes me is u still can't grasp where currency ..not money comes from

It's was even shown on sharp 7 for the masses surely at that point the penny would have dropped

I'm kinda guessing it didn't....

So, in your head the only way to create money is via debt. Just so many marbles in the world, wasn't that the story?

Only, I can make more marbles. Which is why I can increase my net worth with not a jot of debt in sight.

Now, I think it's safe to say that I'm not the one that needs some fiscal revision. In fact I'd say your much self vaunted understanding of such matters is utter shit.

Only fuckwits believe they're not responsible for their own outcomes. Go you.

[TheDemonLord]

The reason this particular group of lunatics are desperate to believe that money is pulled from some fairy bankers arsehole and doesn't actually represent anything worthwhile is that admiting that wealth can actually be manufactured means that they are indeed personally responsible for their own prosperity.

And if they only believe hard enough then their lack of success is someone else's fault.

Pathetic, I know, but that's the reason for all of the bizarre tantrums and irrelevant answers to simple questions.

I know - I just enjoyed this dalliance because once poked hard enough - All Zealots start to sound the same.

Which is a pity, because I only re-posted in this thread because of the RBE experts in Wellington (that presumably the Faithful will be attending) and I was interested if they would have better answers than Mashman.

[Akzle]

Only, I can make more marbles. Which is why I can increase my net worth with not a jot of debt in sight.

you print marbles?

that shit's illegal. i'm telling jews.

[Akzle]

Thats nice - they are going to shit the bed when they try and get their head around concepts like Pi, e and i.

nono. you.

you will shit the bed. if you ever manage to grasp this.

(i hope you get there one day, i wagered mashy that you're not stupid, just unenlightened, and could learn. i'd hate to have to pay the cunt)

[Brian d marge]

Not Give, You are the one that required services I am able to provide, and using those skills and agency I was able to pay my Debt.



I don't watch TV, and yes I understand the basics of our economy - it's why I was able to answer your supposed impossible riddle with Money Velocity and The generation of Wealth.

You don't
Ya you don't even know what money velocity is

Just how ..my good man..does moving a piece of paper from one tin to the other

Produce .. make reproduce. Appear another bit of paper

Suggest ...YouTube videos on economics 101



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[TheDemonLord]

nono. you.

you will shit the bed. if you ever manage to grasp this.

(i hope you get there one day, i wagered mashy that you're not stupid, just unenlightened, and could learn. i'd hate to have to pay the cunt)

Grasped it, realised it's BS. Mashy, Pay the guy.

[TheDemonLord]

You don't
Ya you don't even know what money velocity is

Just how ..my good man..does moving a piece of paper from one tin to the other

Produce .. make reproduce. Appear another bit of paper

Suggest ...YouTube videos on economics 101



sent for a divine source

It would help if you weren't confusing Money Velocity with the Generation of Wealth - Suggest studying Economics 101 (like I did) instead of Youtube.

[Brian d marge]

Don't care. But I'm not the one pretending whatever I've got is down to someone else.



So, in your head the only way to create money is via debt. Just so many marbles in the world, wasn't that the story?

Only, I can make more marbles. Which is why I can increase my net worth with not a jot of debt in sight.

Now, I think it's safe to say that I'm not the one that needs some fiscal revision. In fact I'd say your much self vaunted understanding of such matters is utter shit.

Only fuckwits believe they're not responsible for their own outcomes. Go you.

Bloody ell. ..you may be cracking and understanding

Yes money is debt

Prove me wrong ...if u r dissatisfied with this answer

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[Akzle]

Grasped it,

no. you really haven't.

[Ocean1]

Prove me wrong ...if u r dissatisfied with this answer

Yes money is Interchangeable with assets.

Prove me wrong ...

Done.........

[mashman]

Communism to RBE in a few Easy Steps:

(note - yes I'm using Wikipedia, but since I know you will ignore it, there is no point in using anything more authoritative.)

And I'll be doing this in reverse (as its easier to spot that way)

Step 1: Communism

And our first clue:



NOW - where does that ring a bell...

Step 2: Marxism & Leninism

And our second clue:



NOW - I'm sure I've heard something like that somewhere...

Step 3: Each According to his Needs

Our third clue:



NOW - this is really sounding familiar

Could it Be?



Step 4: Sounding more and more like an RBE

Our fourth Clue:



NOW - note how that article ties in with Marxism, and it ties in with...

The Zeitgeist Movement

Our final Clue.



All of these things have a common thread (apart from the fact they won't work without something akin to Star Trek's replicator technology and a major societal shift) - With each one being an Evolution of the other - Its more like comparing Oranges and Mandarins, its also why it's communism Mk2.0

Edit: I'm going to throw a bone here and say that if we did create something like a Replicator - where there was no loss of opportunity between replicating an Eye Filet or Sirloin, a Hayabusa or a Harley - then at that point an RBE would potentially be viable, there would probably need to be a couple of centuries of Cultural and societal shifts before it could work, but it would be Viable.

3D printers could at a Micro scale be a start to achieving a partial RBE, but the technology would have to mature quite a bit.

It wouldn't be the Silver Bullet to all of Humanities issues, there would still be corruption and other such issues and successful people would still be successful, Envious people would still be envious.

So what you're saying is, and quite emphatically, is that you haven't got a clue what RBE is... despite being told otherwise by one who does understand RBE ... but by all means, carry on being wronger than a wrong thing.

[Jin]

Yes please do explain ....

Economics is very simple ....tis why I understand how it works

And who , why and how

But I'm interested in your take on it

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I didnt say economics i said fractional reserve banking. Two very different things. Economics has lots of different theories and is not simple at all. Fractional reserve banking is simple. Except for you it seems who is trying to equate it to marbles.

I think its perfectly reasonable to ask how resources will be allocated under a rbe. You are saying we should get rid of money and prices. So you need to at least explain what replaces it. You think resources can be placed anywhere so how does that happen?

[mashman]

I love the out of Context Quote Mining and the part where you conveniently choose not to quote the actual answer the riddle - Tsk Tsk, I genuinely didn't think you would stoop that low.

Did I take on a Bad loan? I was able to pay it back, with interest, using my Skills and Agency. Sure - its a Gamble - but life is a Gamble.

There was no 3rd Party, I provided services directly to Brian and charged him for them. I merely extended the metaphor to show that when Banks create money (something you are so often fond of telling us) it is because something of value has been created, its also why German Inflation is a bad thing - if you just increase the money supply without creating things of value, you just devalue the currency.

Sorry... don't you like your own tactics being used against you? Kinda makes you more than just a hypocrite.

Yup. Bad loan as you could never repay the marble you said you would.

Where the services accepted or did ghe want the marble? See, coz the way I read it, he wanted the marble... in fact he went to great lengths in order to state that he wanted the marble. Instead you tried to snakeoil yourself out of paying the debt that was owed. You're a liar and a cheat ... Edity: and a cocksucker

[mashman]

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...-parkway-bible

Its funny how similar the Tenants of Faith sound.

You still didn't answer the question, again. Too busy trying to weasel your way out of it coz you got your arse handed to you by a 13 yr old.

[mashman]

Bloody ell. ..you may be cracking and understanding

Yes money is debt

Prove me wrong ...if u r dissatisfied with this answer

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Did you accept his counterfeit marbles? Or does he still owe you?