My first poll for the NZ public

[TheDemonLord]

No they don't... and I've had conversations with the commerce commission in regards to legislation that forces people to compete. It's not a choice to not compete, coz those competing get pissy that they can't compete. Tragically ironic, but that's the way it works boy.

Of course - whats the best way to Compete? To remove the Competition!

I answered the steak question. There is no steak scarcity given that supermarkets are throwing them out before they go off and some country's are legislating that that shouldn't be allowed. That steaks won't need to be thrown out under RBE, given that people can walk into the supermarket and simply pick them up instead of dumpster diving for the same steak later. So the financial economy is forcing supermarkets to change their behaviour.

Except that wasn't the question - hence why you haven't answered it.

And TBH if you don't understand this by now, then what is the point?

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah, just ask Lance Armstrong.

Interesting Choice - Did he not Excel in the Sport? Even at a time when everyone was cheating (so by extension, it was a Pseudo-level playing field)

[mashman]

Of course - whats the best way to Compete? To remove the Competition!

The best way to compete is to share every single piece of information that's available as that levels the field for the competition and as an outcome we get the best (mebees top 3) that the industry can provide instead of 10 variants all claiming to be the best, but that none actually are. That's called collaboration and competition is merely a side effect, not the driver. The driver is getting the best bang for buck for those who'll consume the resources produced. Simple really. Competition for profit is such a half arsed solution and I'm embarrassed to think that I actually used to believe otherwise. I'm glad I thought about it.

Except that wasn't the question - hence why you haven't answered it.

And TBH if you don't understand this by now, then what is the point?

It was about the scarcity of steak wasn't it. I showed you that steak isn't scarce. If it wasn't about steak scarcity then please rephrase what you were trying to convey.

Ironic given your lack of ability to understand what RBE is let alone how it would work wouldn't you say?

[TheDemonLord]

The best way to compete is to share every single piece of information that's available as that levels the field for the competition and as an outcome we get the best (mebees top 3) that the industry can provide instead of 10 variants all claiming to be the best, but that none actually are. That's called collaboration and competition is merely a side effect, not the driver. The driver is getting the best bang for buck for those who'll consume the resources produced. Simple really. Competition for profit is such a half arsed solution and I'm embarrassed to think that I actually used to believe otherwise. I'm glad I thought about it.

Sure - Sharing information is good - but what drives the Competition? What compels someone to make sacrifices in order to Achieve greatness? Profit is one hell of a Motivator in that respect.

It was about the scarcity of steak wasn't it. I showed you that steak isn't scarce. If it wasn't about steak scarcity then please rephrase what you were trying to convey.

Ironic given your lack of ability to understand what RBE is let alone how it would work wouldn't you say?

Ironic, but for other reasons - It wasn't about the Scarcity of Steak per se. If you understood economics Like you claim to then you would have spotted that. It's that same lack of understanding of Economics that you have demonstrated as to why an RBE will fail.

The 2 are related.

[Katman]

Sure - Sharing information is good - but what drives the Competition? What compels someone to make sacrifices in order to Achieve greatness? Profit is one hell of a Motivator in that respect.

Like I said, ask Lance Armstrong.

[mashman]

Ironic, but for other reasons - It wasn't about the Scarcity of Steak per se. If you understood economics Like you claim to then you would have spotted that. It's that same lack of understanding of Economics that you have demonstrated as to why an RBE will fail.

The 2 are related.

Ok, consider this me asking for clarification yet again.

[Brian d marge]

I've never posted either of those links before.

I can find and post more explaining economics in terms of physical laws if you want.

Or you could just fuck off and sit in the corner with the pointy hat for a while.

Yes u have
do a search on kb I think in stupid world thread
And neo classic economic theory is completely at odds with entropy.
Shall I go there????
But not understanding either u won't know that
Adam Smith tried the same argument..he called it the hidden hand .... but

And it's a but bigger than a faggots arse in pentonville prison

If you can or do understand neo classic economics ..

You would KNOW where and how money was created

But u have demonstrated you depth of knowledge

So I doubt u have an understanding of either entropy or neo classical economics

Would like to join me at the back of the class with the pointy hat ....???

Or shall I highlight ur lack of knowledge some more???




sent for a divine source

[TheDemonLord]

Ok, consider this me asking for clarification yet again.

Okay - You have X number of People that one a Specific cut of Steak. You have Y number of specific Cuts of that Steak.

X is Greater than Y.

Current system is that Price rises until X=Y, People are free to choose to pay a higher price in order to secure what they want. Those that decide either the Price is too high or can't afford the higher price then get to choose their next best alternative. If people find they want that Cut, but currently can't afford it, they can try to use their Agency, Skills and abilities to get to a point where they can afford that cut.

I.e. I go to a restaurant, I see an Eye Fillet Steak (yum), but its price is $60, I see a Sirloin on the Menu (Yum, but not as much Yum as an Eye Fillet) for $40 - I am now able to choose to pay the higher price or determine that the difference isn't worth $20

How does an RBE handle this situation without killing an additional Cow?

If you say we give them a different Cut of Steak (that would be the Undesirable Steak that the Supermarkets throw out), then Personal Choice is removed - and I win the argument (because this has been my Critique all along).

And even in that scenario - you still have to describe how you decide who gets the specific cut of Steak first and who gets a different cut. Likely your answer will be that some form of Administration decides based on some factor or another which is exactly what happened with Communism

Oh and FYI, just because a Supermarket throws out Produce, it doesn't mean it isn't Scarce - Scarcity refers to the fact that a resource has a Finite Measure.

[Katman]

Okay - You have X number of People that one a Specific cut of Steak. You have Y number of specific Cuts of that Steak.

X is Greater than Y.

Current system is that Price rises until X=Y, People are free to choose to pay a higher price in order to secure what they want. Those that decide either the Price is too high or can't afford the higher price then get to choose their next best alternative. If people find they want that Cut, but currently can't afford it, they can try to use their Agency, Skills and abilities to get to a point where they can afford that cut.

I.e. I go to a restaurant, I see an Eye Fillet Steak (yum), but its price is $60, I see a Sirloin on the Menu (Yum, but not as much Yum as an Eye Fillet) for $40 - I am now able to choose to pay the higher price or determine that the difference isn't worth $20

How does an RBE handle this situation without killing an additional Cow?

If you say we give them a different Cut of Steak (that would be the Undesirable Steak that the Supermarkets throw out), then Personal Choice is removed - and I win the argument (because this has been my Critique all along).

And even in that scenario - you still have to describe how you decide who gets the specific cut of Steak first and who gets a different cut. Likely your answer will be that some form of Administration decides based on some factor or another which is exactly what happened with Communism

Oh and FYI, just because a Supermarket throws out Produce, it doesn't mean it isn't Scarce - Scarcity refers to the fact that a resource has a Finite Measure.

You're in love with Autism, aren't you?

[Ocean1]

Yes u have
do a search on kb I think in stupid world thread

It's your claim, you do a fucking search, I'm sick of your vacuous bullshit.

[Woodman]

ok. so. joe P darkie sees CEOs and lawerjew types (those who do SFA and get paid fuckloads)... and decides not to go fishing today?

You make no sense.........

[TheDemonLord]

You're in love with Autism, aren't you?

Translation from Katflap to English:

'Wow that is a logical and internally consistent argument which I cannot refute.'

[Katman]

Translation from Katflap to English:

'Wow that is a logical and internally consistent argument which I cannot refute.'

Are you Autistic too?

[mashman]

Okay - You have X number of People that one a Specific cut of Steak. You have Y number of specific Cuts of that Steak.

X is Greater than Y.

Current system is that Price rises until X=Y, People are free to choose to pay a higher price in order to secure what they want. Those that decide either the Price is too high or can't afford the higher price then get to choose their next best alternative. If people find they want that Cut, but currently can't afford it, they can try to use their Agency, Skills and abilities to get to a point where they can afford that cut.

I.e. I go to a restaurant, I see an Eye Fillet Steak (yum), but its price is $60, I see a Sirloin on the Menu (Yum, but not as much Yum as an Eye Fillet) for $40 - I am now able to choose to pay the higher price or determine that the difference isn't worth $20

How does an RBE handle this situation without killing an additional Cow?

You shoulda stopped there as you don't understand RBE

Thanks.

First come first served. For those who don't get the cuts they want, tough shit. Exactly the same as your restaurant example. If there's no steak, there's no steak no matter how much money you have.

[Woodman]

Why would it need to be policed?

So you're denigrating charity and voluntary workers then? Huh, I didn't have you pegged as a stupid lazy fuck... hey ho.

Because lazy fucks...


So you think the working population would put up with those that did sweet fa?