My first poll for the NZ public

[Katman]

Furthermore it's Hippies that assume just because they are nice and kind and want to share, that everyone in turn is kind, nice and want to share.

Well I'd rather be nice and kind and want to share than be a money hungry motherfucker like that Ocean1 prick.

[Ocean1]

Well I'd rather be nice and kind and want to share than be a money hungry motherfucker like that Ocean1 prick.

Go you.

Unfortunately, you're a fuckwit, and therefore unlikely to actually have anything anyone else wants you to share.

[TheDemonLord]

Well I'd rather be nice and kind and want to share than be a money hungry motherfucker like that Ocean1 prick.

So, you will be repairing Motorcycles for free then?

[Katman]

So, you will be repairing Motorcycles for free then?

If we had an RBE I'd happily repair motorcycles for free.

[TheDemonLord]

If we had an RBE I'd happily repair motorcycles for free.

So you'd only be nice and kind in an RBE?

[Katman]

So you'd only be nice and kind in an RBE?

I'm nice and kind all of the time.

I have to eat as well though.

[bogan]

Congratulations.

Coz if you understood, you wouldn't say things like

Is it just me or is the source missing from that quote... tsk, tsk, that's not good form; I mean, what's the bet I wasn't even commenting on your form of an 'RBE' when I wrote it? Or even wrote it?

The quote however, is entirely accurate. I don't see how it is relevant though, clearly a workable rbe would not be made up of people who predominantly do fuck all.

How does it remove choice when all you can ever have is that which the market produces?... and the fact that there'd be no money and therefore no constraint on acquiring what has been produced?

Apart from production, for which there is no incentive.

This completely misses the reason why a company chooses to invest time and resources in developing a new Bike - it's so that people will buy it, as opposed to their competition. Just like the Blackbird, Just like the Hayabusa, Just like the H2.

No reason to compete = no competition.
No competition = no excellence.
No Excellence = no motivation to strive for excellence.
No motivation to strive for excellence = no choice.

That's next level shit, a non-emergent rbe would be destroyed by a simple production/consumption imbalance. Use replicators etc to tip those scales and then you might have problems about the lack of innovation; but there will always be innovators who do it for it's own sake. All in all, I think adoption of an rbe is like a triangle scalar approach between technology, ability, and inclusion. It could work now for like 5% who are good cunts. Throw in replicators, ensure population is educated, and those 5% could carry along another 80%...

[TheDemonLord]

I'm nice and kind all of the time.

I have to eat as well though.

But there are plenty of Hippies who barter for their services, don't work in the traditional sense and are kind and nice.

So my original question - if you want to be nice and kind and not a slave to capitalism - given that it is an option now (as demonstrated by certain parts of society) - why aren't you doing it now?

Unless of course, you like the things that charging a reasonable price for your services provides, in which case - that would make you a tad hypocritical.

[Ocean1]

That's next level shit, a non-emergent rbe would be destroyed by a simple production/consumption imbalance. Use replicators etc to tip those scales and then you might have problems about the lack of innovation; but there will always be innovators who do it for it's own sake. All in all, I think adoption of an rbe is like a triangle scalar approach between technology, ability, and inclusion. It could work now for like 5% who are good cunts. Throw in replicators, ensure population is educated, and those 5% could carry along another 80%...

In a relatively free society you can use whatever you like, it'll be that same 5% supporting a bunch of the rest.

The quantity "a bunch" is a result dependent on the variable "free".

Plenty of instructive examples where "free" = not, and "a bunch" = fuck all.

[mashman]

Is it just me or is the source missing from that quote... tsk, tsk, that's not good form; I mean, what's the bet I wasn't even commenting on your form of an 'RBE' when I wrote it? Or even wrote it?

The quote however, is entirely accurate. I don't see how it is relevant though, clearly a workable rbe would not be made up of people who predominantly do fuck all.

Apart from production, for which there is no incentive.

Correct, it is a generic statement by which you stand behind. Clearly a workable RBE only needs enough people to make it work. That enough need not be the majority.

There are many reasons for production. Money is one of them. Money is also something that makes the production of technically possible and highly useful stuff, financially impossible. Until the price of the resources required comes down that is .

[TheDemonLord]

That's next level shit, a non-emergent rbe would be destroyed by a simple production/consumption imbalance. Use replicators etc to tip those scales and then you might have problems about the lack of innovation; but there will always be innovators who do it for it's own sake. All in all, I think adoption of an rbe is like a triangle scalar approach between technology, ability, and inclusion. It could work now for like 5% who are good cunts. Throw in replicators, ensure population is educated, and those 5% could carry along another 80%...

Innovation for the sake of it does produce some interesting and occassionally brilliant work, Linux comes to mind. The issue is though without market forces, it becomes hard to determine the Brilliant from the Bullshit. Also - you wouldn't get the Arms race effect in an RBE.

That all said - if (going back to Star Trek) there was the driving force of Humanity vs The Klingons/Romulans/Borg/Dominion - then that would probably drive innovation (in the way that sadly wars have been responsible for some of the greatest technological leaps - if only we were so inventive without the desire to kill)

[TheDemonLord]

Money is also something that makes the production of technically possible and highly useful stuff, financially impossible. Until the price of the resources required comes down that is .

Entirely missing the point of Why a resource might be priced so high....

[bogan]

In a relatively free society you can use whatever you like, it'll be that same 5% supporting a bunch of the rest.

The quantity "a bunch" is a result dependent on the variable "free".

Plenty of instructive examples where "free" = not, and "a bunch" = fuck all.

Nah I don't think we're there yet, certainly not in terms of work output.

Correct, it is a generic statement by which you stand behind. Clearly a workable RBE only needs enough people to make it work. That enough need not be the majority.

There are many reasons for production. Money is one of them. Money is also something that makes the production of technically possible and highly useful stuff, financially impossible. Until the price of the resources required comes down that is .

So it's a generic statement which is not applicable to my understanding of your system. You misunderstand the quote (of which source you will not reveal), it is not talking about how workable it is, but the long term effects of laziness and moral decay.

Why do you keep bringing up money? consumption is governed by the produced goods available to be consumed. One tree can only build so much, one worker can only work so many hours... Were it a simple matter to increase either of these efficiencies, the financial system provides motivation for that improvement to happen,a s well as the base job to happen in the first place, yours provides neither of those things.

Innovation for the sake of it does produce some interesting and occassionally brilliant work, Linux comes to mind. The issue is though without market forces, it becomes hard to determine the Brilliant from the Bullshit. Also - you wouldn't get the Arms race effect in an RBE.

That all said - if (going back to Star Trek) there was the driving force of Humanity vs The Klingons/Romulans/Borg/Dominion - then that would probably drive innovation (in the way that sadly wars have been responsible for some of the greatest technological leaps - if only we were so inventive without the desire to kill)

Yeh market forces do cut down on the bullshit products that are not fit for purpose etc; but is that an issue without the market? Online reviews are pretty good, and the motivation to produce cheap and nasty shit just to make a buck would dissapear also.

Someone should just dress up in a borg costume, roll up to whitehouse, say prepare your anus's, we'll be back in ten years...

[Voltaire]

Didn't they try RBE for thousands of years and clearly people wanted better and here we are.

My Fathers generation came from a family of 9 working on a subsistence farm in rural Ireland and they all but one left the place.

The lure of a better life is strong as you see on the news....er MSM most nights

[Woodman]

Well I'd rather be nice and kind and want to share than be a money hungry motherfucker like that Ocean1 prick.

Well there is no point having a business if it doesn't make money. And anyway he pays tax and tax is sharing.