My first poll for the NZ public

[mashman]

Great, so they are still linked, and it still requires a lot of production to make a vaccine/software/etc. Money doesn't prevent those things from happening (since they clearly are happening).

People bashing? I'm just being realistic. Democracy works because an economy provides the carrot and the stick. With neither, those who wish to see an rbe fail can do so very easily. With neither, those who are unable to effectively self regulate their production/consumption will be a burden, and with enough, it will fail too. Do you want to see it fail? Is that why you ignore this stuff?

I'd want to build one too, doesn't mean it is integral to an rbe. I'm talking about the rbe's absence; I can understand your desire to change the subject, but such misdirection is not warranted. Why is there no rbe? Don't give me that shit about them not having enough money to build a city, rbe is about pooling resources and self moderating the production/consumption ratio; it's not about getting a flash new city; the materialistic implication that flash new shit is required suggests you've missunderstood the concept entirely.

I never said money prevented vaccine/software etc...



I never said it was integral to an RBE. Even said "not using the construction as a symbol" in regards to the why of building one. See, you're making things up again... I said misunderstanding as a way of highlighting that you had misunderstood what I had said for a reason. Again though, they're lulz a plenty.

[bogan]

I never said money prevented vaccine/software etc...



I never said it was integral to an RBE. Even said "not using the construction as a symbol" in regards to the why of building one. See, you're making things up again... I said misunderstanding as a way of highlighting that you had misunderstood what I had said for a reason. Again though, they're lulz a plenty.

You said "I was referring to stuff getting done and not getting done. Like, cancer drugs availability to budget despite the fact that the drugs are in a warehouse ready to go where they're needed... so long as they can afford it. That's entirely a money problem.", so money doesn't prevent them from being made, just the final product being distributed. But you can't unlink the two, remember "Probably because I didn't unlink them." which you said. Yet your assertion that money prevents distribution, but not their creation, does un-link the two.

Production/consumption. I've never said people had to do the same shit as effectively, just that they need to produce something, to balance out their consumption. Considering it is a core underpinning of any rbe, you need to be able to understand this stuff mashy.

Right, so startup money is not integral to an rbe either. So why do none exist?

[Ocean1]

Right, so startup money is not integral to an rbe either. So why do none exist?

Because it's only lazy cunts that want one, and they're too lazy to make one let alone sustain one.

[Woodman]

They're not all people I know. They're just people I bump into. Friends of friends. Bloke down t pub etc...

Um just because they are standing in front of you nodding and smiling, doesn't mean they agree with you. It just means they are too polite to say "fuck off you boring twat"

[mashman]

You said "I was referring to stuff getting done and not getting done. Like, cancer drugs availability to budget despite the fact that the drugs are in a warehouse ready to go where they're needed... so long as they can afford it. That's entirely a money problem.", so money doesn't prevent them from being made, just the final product being distributed. But you can't unlink the two, remember "Probably because I didn't unlink them." which you said. Yet your assertion that money prevents distribution, but not their creation, does un-link the two.

Production/consumption. I've never said people had to do the same shit as effectively, just that they need to produce something, to balance out their consumption. Considering it is a core underpinning of any rbe, you need to be able to understand this stuff mashy.

Right, so startup money is not integral to an rbe either. So why do none exist?

No it doesn't. They are still consumed by the person that can afford them.

I understand it fine. You misunderstood the reason for the image being posted... yet you did give us a beautiful story about what I don't understand, again.

Oooooooo, only half point. ICS.

[mashman]

Um just because they are standing in front of you nodding and smiling, doesn't mean they agree with you. It just means they are too polite to say "fuck off you boring twat"

Those who don't want to talk about it are more than happy to end the conversation in a variety of ways. But then there are people who see that RBE holds water and ask more questions. If they don't ask questions, then there is no conversation. Hence they're not in the conversation for any other reason than they choose to be. Hence the lack of "abrupt" endings and generally positive outcome in favour of RBE. I don't ask or expect people to change... as they're more than smart enough to figure that sort of thing out themselves when presented with a starter, almost as if they've thought of it before, but discarded it because they didn't follow it through to its logical conclusion i.e. money. Even the dumbest fucker I've spoken to got it... but that's only because they don't have the perception that they are going to lose something. It's all fear or loss and mistrust. Mind you, the position of the fearful and mistrusting does make for some lulz... so it ain't all chicken little

[mashman]

[Voltaire]

Interesting, good drawings

[oldrider]

Interesting, good drawings

That was more to that than simply good drawings but IMO it was incomplete!

What was not addressed was the vital ingredient that usurps the ability for any or all of those systems presented to ever be successfully implemented!

That ingredient is currently owned and controlled by the Rothschild world federal reserve banking system - they did not steal it, our inane world leaders gave it to them!

Those same inane leaders borrow back that ingredient from the privately owned federal reserve system and pay them repeatedly for the privilege of doing so!

What does the federal reserve central banking system gain from this situation? - power control and unlimited wealth!

What does the rest of world society get out of this situation? - indebtedness compliance and population control - or the right to die in ignorance and poverty!

[bogan]

No it doesn't. They are still consumed by the person that can afford them.

I understand it fine. You misunderstood the reason for the image being posted... yet you did give us a beautiful story about what I don't understand, again.

Oooooooo, only half point. ICS.

So what's the problem, the production is consumed; how is removing money going to change that, ie, how is removing money going to suddenly mean more vaccines will be produced?

Which is the point I'm making, you continue to fail to acknowledge one of the cores of an rbe, or any working economic/resource system for that matter. The Production/Consumption ratio must be 1 or greater.

What does ICS mean, and why do no rbe's exist? you've not given any logical reason for it. So given they don't; to understand the rbe concept, you also need to be able to understand why they have not formed. This is to ensure your 'understanding' aligns with reality (thus removing its air quotes).

[Brian d marge]

That was more to that than simply good drawings but IMO it was incomplete!

What was not addressed was the vital ingredient that usurps the ability for any or all of those systems presented to ever be successfully implemented!

That ingredient is currently owned and controlled by the Rothschild world federal reserve banking system - they did not steal it, our inane world leaders gave it to them!

Those same inane leaders borrow back that ingredient from the privately owned federal reserve system and pay them repeatedly for the privilege of doing so!

What does the federal reserve central banking system gain from this situation? - power control and unlimited wealth!

What does the rest of world society get out of this situation? - indebtedness compliance and population control - or the right to die in ignorance and poverty!

pretty much , nail on the head .....but I think its the Nazi money thats calling the shots now, the markers that Boorman laid down in 1945 are coming due ,,, Italian gold etc
the rest of what you say is bang on the money
but u cant blame the sheep , the brainwashing is sooooooo deep , it astounds me ... Mark twain said " fooling people is easy but convincing they are being fooled is impossible "
see the old 10 marbles in a cup ,,,where does the 11th marble come from? your Oceans 11 have NO answer to that , ....
i mean zero interest rates, WHY WHY would you buy a bond when you after 10 years will get LESS than you bought it for ............... UNLESS loosing SOME MONEY is preferable to loosing ALL of ur money
so somethings up
I think the Anglo American mafia is on the way out , the Li clan is on the rise ...IMHO...or the Venetians are cleverly controlling both sides ???

Stephen

[Voltaire]

Jews and Nazi's the old conspiracy favourites.

Us sheep thank you for trying to bring to our attention what is really going on the in world.

Other than posting You Tube clips, saying how much you know that we don't and ultimately calling each other names what are you doing about

it?

Maaaaaaaa we want to know.

I'm leaning towards bored shitless ,cash poor and spending far too much time on the internet.

[oldrider]

Hollywood? fact or fiction? - this clip is tainted with some serious brainwashing shit!

[mashman]

So what's the problem, the production is consumed; how is removing money going to change that, ie, how is removing money going to suddenly mean more vaccines will be produced?

Which is the point I'm making, you continue to fail to acknowledge one of the cores of an rbe, or any working economic/resource system for that matter. The Production/Consumption ratio must be 1 or greater.

What does ICS mean, and why do no rbe's exist? you've not given any logical reason for it. So given they don't; to understand the rbe concept, you also need to be able to understand why they have not formed. This is to ensure your 'understanding' aligns with reality (thus removing its air quotes).

I mentioned the problem earlier with the cancer example that didn't suit you because your understanding was that I was unlinking production and consumption when I wasn't. Removing money would see the people who can't afford to get the drugs, get the drugs and potentially live.

No, that's you putting words in my mouth, again. I understand that fine. Technically 1/2 could be produced.

You don't remember the ICS eh. No real surprise there. Hell, you couldn't even remember the cancer problem from a day ago. I understand fine bogan. Now, haven't you got some understanding to go and misunderstand... don't worry, I'll be here so that you can take your, demonstrably continuous, fail out on someone. I know I'm enabling tall poppy, but you really seem to need to get it out of your system. They haven't formed because no one knows. Pretty simple thing that you keep ignoring.

[mashman]

Other than posting You Tube clips, saying how much you know that we don't and ultimately calling each other names what are you doing about it?

Don't fret, those who don't post youtube clips and maintain the status quo will be along shortly with brand new packaging and shiny trinkets of reward to rule you some more.