My first poll for the NZ public

[TheDemonLord]

Prolly the best summary of Resource Based Economy I've read

indeed:

"but a world where all human needs (and most reasonable desires) are readily fulfilled is only possible without money."

Tell me - Who decides what is Reasonable?

The Stazi?
The Politburo?

[Ocean1]

Prolly the best summary of Resource Based Economy I've read

"Much of this of course, we can agree with. Except we would point out that the type of society described here has always accurately been referred to as socialism or communism, as they mean the same thing – the social or common ownership of the means of living. That so-called ‘Communist’ countries (really systems of state-run capitalism) like the former USSR, China, East Germany, etc abused the term is not in our view a reason to disassociate ourselves from it. After all, these states called themselves ‘democratic’ too!"

Well, actually there's fuck all there history agrees with.

In admitting the communist/socialist link they're aligning themselves with all of those historic failures. But "it's OK, 'cause all them failures weren't democratic, either".

Which is sorta the point: socialism/communism ALWAYS fails completely in a dictatorship, because it's a fucking stupid positive feedback loop. In a democracy a majority voting themselves more than they contribute produces failures that eventually get voted back out again.

[TheDemonLord]

"Much of this of course, we can agree with. Except we would point out that the type of society described here has always accurately been referred to as socialism or communism, as they mean the same thing – the social or common ownership of the means of living. That so-called ‘Communist’ countries (really systems of state-run capitalism) like the former USSR, China, East Germany, etc abused the term is not in our view a reason to disassociate ourselves from it. After all, these states called themselves ‘democratic’ too!"

Well, actually there's fuck all there history agrees with.

In admitting the communist/socialist link they're aligning themselves with all of those historic failures. But "it's OK, 'cause all them failures weren't democratic, either".

Which is sorta the point: socialism/communism ALWAYS fails completely in a dictatorship, because it's a fucking stupid positive feedback loop. In a democracy a majority voting themselves more than they contribute produces failures that eventually get voted back out again.

[mashman]

"Much of this of course, we can agree with. Except we would point out that the type of society described here has always accurately been referred to as socialism or communism, as they mean the same thing – the social or common ownership of the means of living. That so-called ‘Communist’ countries (really systems of state-run capitalism) like the former USSR, China, East Germany, etc abused the term is not in our view a reason to disassociate ourselves from it. After all, these states called themselves ‘democratic’ too!"

Well, actually there's fuck all there history agrees with.

In admitting the communist/socialist link they're aligning themselves with all of those historic failures. But "it's OK, 'cause all them failures weren't democratic, either".

Which is sorta the point: socialism/communism ALWAYS fails completely in a dictatorship, because it's a fucking stupid positive feedback loop. In a democracy a majority voting themselves more than they contribute produces failures that eventually get voted back out again.

... yeah, go for the isms and ignore the rest. But to wet your appetite, it's closer to agorism... although without a government, it's none of those. RBE is more akin to anarchy. That should allay your myopic fears... although I very much doubt it given your lack of ability to even begin to comprehend what's on offer. Love your projection though. It reminds me of how I used to be.

[bogan]

RBE is more akin to anarchy.

Good thing Fresco is buried, he probably wouldn't agree with that utterly rubbish interpretation of everything he was working towards.

[Brian d marge]

"Much of this of course, we can agree with. Except we would point out that the type of society described here has always accurately been referred to as socialism or communism, as they mean the same thing – the social or common ownership of the means of living. That so-called ‘Communist’ countries (really systems of state-run capitalism) like the former USSR, China, East Germany, etc abused the term is not in our view a reason to disassociate ourselves from it. After all, these states called themselves ‘democratic’ too!"

Well, actually there's fuck all there history agrees with.

In admitting the communist/socialist link they're aligning themselves with all of those historic failures. But "it's OK, 'cause all them failures weren't democratic, either".

Which is sorta the point: socialism/communism ALWAYS fails completely in a dictatorship, because it's a fucking stupid positive feedback loop. In a democracy a majority voting themselves more than they contribute produces failures that eventually get voted back out again.

As i told u many moons ago ; its possible you aint got a clue what communism or socialism is.

[mashman]

Good thing Fresco is buried, he probably wouldn't agree with that utterly rubbish interpretation of everything he was working towards.

Akin.

As i told u many moons ago ; its possible you aint got a clue what communism or socialism is.

He does... just in his own speshul way.

[Brian d marge]

Akin.



He does... just in his own speshul way.

Does it include the community?

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[Ocean1]

Yes.

But whereas the current crop of whining ingrates are approximately as deluded as previous iterations their inability to learn from their predecessors' failures indicates they're not worth all that "constant vigilance" shit.

Laughing at them is about the extent of the energy I usually waste on them.

[Ocean1]

As i told u many moons ago ; its possible you aint got a clue what communism or socialism is.

[TheDemonLord]

its possible you aint got a clue what communism or socialism is.

The biggest murderous philosophy of the 20th century?

[Brian d marge]

The biggest murderous philosophy of the 20th century?

No , try again , the hint is in the name
The one u are thinking of is a hijack by some very naughty boys

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[mashman]

Does it include the community?

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Yeah... but the conditions suck if you're not considered as being productive or do something that isn't valued as very productive by people who claim to know better coz they consider themselves as more productive coz they got more tokens than those who are, obviously like, less productive and should follow their lead coz then they too could get more tokens. People should just know what's best for them and the community would work fine... more or less, ish, to an acceptable standard yada yada yada

[Brian d marge]

Yeah... but the conditions suck if you're not considered as being productive or do something that isn't valued as very productive by people who claim to know better coz they consider themselves as more productive coz they got more tokens than those who are, obviously like, less productive and should follow their lead coz then they too could get more tokens. People should just know what's best for them and the community would work fine... more or less, ish, to an acceptable standard yada yada yada

Then u would have a laying on of hands ceremony, and boots if ya took the piss
That would have to be worked through with your immediate community.


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[TheDemonLord]

No , try again , the hint is in the name
The one u are thinking of is a hijack by some very naughty boys

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Or....

The philosophy is rooted in some ideas that are fundamentally opposed by our base and animalistic nature - thus any attempt to bring about the Communist Utopia invariably leads to an attempt (by force) to get people to adhere, which in turn leads to murderous dictatorships when those people don't want to adhere.

To quote Jordan Peterson on this subject "How many more times and how many more Millions need to die before people realise it is flawed"

Or as I put it - Communism is a wonderful idea, except for the bit requiring Humans.