My first poll for the NZ public

[sketch]

what a load of pointless crap............. thats like asking would you live in new zealand if a 18yo size 6 blondie with d cups sucked you off every morning

[mashman]

Not to mention those that aren't keen on subsidising those who earn fuck all any more than they currently do.

You still haven't got a handle on "earn" have you?

keen on subsidising those who earn fuck all any more than they currently do = earn less.

Yup, I've got a handle on it.

[mashman]

what a load of pointless crap............. thats like asking would you live in new zealand if a 18yo size 6 blondie with d cups sucked you off every morning

That would certainly help... although ugly people who rely on $ to attract pretty women are gonna be sorely disappointed.

[Ocean1]

keen on subsidising those who earn fuck all any more than they currently do = earn less.

What?

Yup, I've got a handle on it.

If you had the slightest idea you'd realise that anyone can have whatever they want without your clueless scheme. They simply have to earn it.

[scumdog]

WTO

You are planning to 'convince' the WTO to drop the price of all raw products NZ plans in importing from them.

[bogan]

Theoretically we'll still be pulling money out of thin air and as it is a current practice around the globe we could use it as a mechanism for generating more money. Although we're offering "value" for "money". Yup, our exports should balance our imports.

Worker motivation and the reason that you vote for the system aren't mutually exclusive in the first instance, as we need base point to start from i.e. calculate the "wealth" of the country, figure out which jobs aren't required (of which there will be many), figure out educational priorities, service priorities etc... Hence the request that we keep our current jobs at the start.
Resource Allocation. It can be the same as now and it will. The reason being that the Ocean1's, jonbuoy's etc... of the world who believe that they are worth more than someone else, can in fact get more than someone else in the short term. With any luck that'll keep the greedy cunts happy for a while. In regards to working towards something, you won't necessarily have to. Needs will most definitely be fulfilled, it's the wants that will be the issue. If you use a motorcycle as your transport and something goes tits, it'll be seen as a need because we need your input at work. there's going to have to be a large element of trust i.e. personal responsibility, in that people don't go ape shit and consume consume consume over and above that which they need. There's very little choice in that matter and goes back to Resource Allocation to a certain degree. We can only hope that need will be your driver and not want.

No, you can't use it as a sustainable mechanism for generating more money, there's that other mechanism which counters it called inflation.

I didn't say they were mutually exclusive, I asked how such a system would motivate workers to do the undesirable tasks, of which there will still be many.

That is not the same as it is now, who decides what is need and what is want? who decides whose wants are frivolous and whose wants are ok? Sounds like there will be a lot of jobs created for that, and a lot of potential for abuse of power.

This sort of system just doesn't lend itself to countrywide implementation, communes and the like where they can be selective about who is in it would work be a far better place to start.

[mashman]

What?

If you had the slightest idea you'd realise that anyone can have whatever they want without your clueless scheme. They simply have to earn it.

I said You said I said

Really? So there are at least 7 billion CEO roles that command a salary of over $1 million per annum?

[mashman]

You are planning to 'convince' the WTO to drop the price of all raw products NZ plans in importing from them.

Not at all... but seek justice there should NZ be discriminated against given their new economic model.

[SMOKEU]

The exchange rate 2 years ago was 20usd per bitcoin, now it is 130usd per bitcoin. Those numbers are not the same.

Take a look at the block difficulty now and compare it to 2 years ago...

[Ocean1]

I said You said I said

No, more drivel doesn't make the first lot any clearer.

Really? So there are at least 7 billion CEO roles that command a salary of over $1 million per annum?

Is that the only way you can think of to earn money?

'Cause I got to tell you you're not cut out for it.

[bogan]

Take a look at the block difficulty now and compare it to 2 years ago...

Which is why I asked if it was just the exchange rate you were talking about, is it not just the exchange rate now?

Jesus H Christ, is nobody in this thread I try and have a discussion with capable of a coherent and on-track conversation.

[mashman]

No, you can't use it as a sustainable mechanism for generating more money, there's that other mechanism which counters it called inflation.

I didn't say they were mutually exclusive, I asked how such a system would motivate workers to do the undesirable tasks, of which there will still be many.

That is not the same as it is now, who decides what is need and what is want? who decides whose wants are frivolous and whose wants are ok? Sounds like there will be a lot of jobs created for that, and a lot of potential for abuse of power.

This sort of system just doesn't lend itself to countrywide implementation, communes and the like where they can be selective about who is in it would work be a far better place to start.

They use it as a mechanism for generating money currently, t'would seem unfair that we wouldn't be allowed to do it too... but yes, how do you counter inflation should you decide to try to beat the inflation trap. Something Oldrider posted a while back showed how it could be done (The Guernsey Experiment), however we're going to be creating money against tangible value i.e. the price of our resources. That should, according to economic theory, be enough to to limit inflationary effects.

I never said you did, I was highlighting that if we have voted for the system in the first place then we'd likely be motivated to do the shit jobs, because they need to be done. We would fully understand that if these jobs aren't done then we'd likely end up going back towards a financially based system. So if the majority have votes for the system, why would they not do what it took to maintain that system?

You decide what is a need and a want. Personal responsibility remember. Also I said it CAN be the same as now, not it WILL be. There will be the potential for an abuse of power. Mechanisms can be put in place to limit that, such as reviewing spending and questioning the reasons for certain individuals/groups sucking in resources that could be better used elsewhere. As I said, you're going to have to trust people to make the right choice at some point in time.

That's why most of decision making will be made at community level. They will know what resources their community needs and with any luck, trustworthy sensible people will fill those rolls.

[mashman]

Is that the only way you can think of to earn money?

'Cause I got to tell you you're not cut out for it.

Not at all. But if those 7 billion high salaried positions don't exist, then how can they have whatever they want? Someone still needs to clean, empty the drains, paint the safety lines on the road etc... and due to the shit wages that those jobs pay, they are very limited in what they can have.

Not cut out for what? Making decisions? Although you could be right, my golf game sucks.

[Ocean1]

Jesus H Christ, is nobody in this thread I try and have a discussion with capable of a coherent and on-track conversation.

You've noticed too eh?

[Ocean1]

But if those 7 billion high salaried positions don't exist, then how can they have whatever they want? Someone still needs to clean, empty the drains, paint the safety lines on the road etc... and due to the shit wages that those jobs pay, they are very limited in what they can have.

I didn't say they could earn a million dollars for doing a $20 job. Nonetheless the option's there for them if they can be bothered to work that hard.

Not cut out for what? Making decisions? Although you could be right, my golf game sucks.

Actually, now that you come to mention it; fuck all.

But I'm sure there's a circus somewhere... no, maybe not.