My first poll for the NZ public

[bogan]

Not needing them won't mean that they don't exist... but they are not essential. Every job is as important as any other job.

Which does more work. 1 man doing 8 hours of 10 men doing 1 hour? You're forgetting all of the jobs that are going to become redundant.

What jobs are going to become redundant? 'every job is as important as any other job' certainly doesn't make me think there's much redundancy, certainly not 90% of them.

Also, if the Engineers who designs the robotics which dag the sheep which feed the citizens aren't essential, who is?

[mashman]

What jobs are going to become redundant? 'every job is as important as any other job' certainly doesn't make me think there's much redundancy, certainly not 90% of them.

Also, if the Engineers who designs the robotics which dag the sheep which feed the citizens aren't essential, who is?

Pretty much all bank related jobs, accountants, company finance departments, a good 50+% of IT staff and likely many many more jobs that could be done by less people. So let's go for approx half of the current workforce.

As I said, they're all essential.

[bogan]

As I said, they're all essential.

but they are not essential.

See, now I think you're just having a troll, but making yourself look like an idiot is a really weird way to troll. Unfortunately it does seem to be becoming one of the more common way to do it.

[mashman]

See, now I think you're just having a troll, but making yourself look like an idiot is a really weird way to troll. Unfortunately it does seem to be becoming one of the more common way to do it.

So you're not happy with either answer? Hmmmmm... yeah fair enough, it was a shit troll. All jobs that are required will be essential. Currently we don't know every single job that is required... and up until that point every job is essential as they all currently support each other in one way or another.

[Woodman]

So you need to be a rocket scientist to be able to explain human nature, and you're not one, but you are qualified to enough to state that human nature exists.

Interesting.........

Surely you mean my leaders?

The ability to form an opinion is I think an important part of human nature. Will that be bullshit?

The instinct to improve ones self to rise above the herd (winning) is also a part of human nature. Impossible in your world, unless one day after a hard days work in the salt mine you feel like rewarding yourself with a free Aston Martin, or will there be only one option for vehicles to avoid any reward/ equality/ conflict issues?

[bogan]

So you're not happy with either answer? Hmmmmm... yeah fair enough, it was a shit troll. All jobs that are required will be essential. Currently we don't know every single job that is required... and up until that point every job is essential as they all currently support each other in one way or another.

You're making even less sense now; all jobs are essential, but we are going to cut it by 50%, and work hours by 80%, and allow anyone to choose whatever job they want. There simply has to be some sort of mechanism to ensure the workforce is distributed in such a way to ensure the society function, your complete unwillingness to address or acknowledge this fact just makes it obvious the system you propose is fatally flawed.

[mashman]

The ability to form an opinion is I think an important part of human nature. Will that be bullshit?

The instinct to improve ones self to rise above the herd (winning) is also a part of human nature. Impossible in your world, unless one day after a hard days work in the salt mine you feel like rewarding yourself with a free Aston Martin, or will there be only one option for vehicles to avoid any reward/ equality/ conflict issues?

Fair point. Is the opinion that is formed human nature?

I disagree, because I improve myself to improve myself, not to win or rise above the herd. That does not mean that people won't think that way, but I doubt they'll live every facet of their life that way. Winning, eating breakfast faster today than you did yesterday? You still have to decide to want to eat your breakfast quicker. The decision drives the behaviour. Hence I don't need an Aston Martin at all, even if it was free. I'm sure you guys can cage fight or hand bag at dawn as to who gets the free Aston. If people still wanna make Aston's, then I guess they'll still exist.

[mashman]

You're making even less sense now; all jobs are essential, but we are going to cut it by 50%, and work hours by 80%, and allow anyone to choose whatever job they want. There simply has to be some sort of mechanism to ensure the workforce is distributed in such a way to ensure the society function, your complete unwillingness to address or acknowledge this fact just makes it obvious the system you propose is fatally flawed.

I have addressed it. It comes under the banner of, I will do any job that is required in order to keep us from going back to the financial system. That also covers the amount of hours required. Removing 50% of the workforce does not mean that essential jobs will not get done. Essential being those jobs that are required.

[avgas]

Which does more work. 1 man doing 8 hours of 10 men doing 1 hour? You're forgetting all of the jobs that are going to become redundant.

Although I hate both of these gents (with vengeance), I do like this conversation - because it shows how the 2 extremes don't have a clue.
Friedman vs Mao

At one of our dinners, Milton recalled traveling to an Asian country in the 1960s and visiting a worksite where a new canal was being built. He was shocked to see that, instead of modern tractors and earth movers, the workers had shovels. He asked why there were so few machines. The government bureaucrat explained: “You don’t understand. This is a jobs program.” To which Milton replied: “Oh, I thought you were trying to build a canal. If it’s jobs you want, then you should give these workers spoons, not shovels.”

I thought the whole point was to dig a canal!

[bogan]

I have addressed it. It comes under the banner of, I will do any job that is required in order to keep us from going back to the financial system. That also covers the amount of hours required. Removing 50% of the workforce does not mean that essential jobs will not get done. Essential being those jobs that are required.

Like your logic, I'm outa here.

[Ocean1]

Removing 50% of the workforce does not mean that essential jobs will not get done.

Been saying that for years.

[mashman]

Like your logic, I'm outa here.

Have fun dear.

Been saying that for years.

In which case I think I better change my mind.

[mashman]

Although I hate both of these gents (with vengeance), I do like this conversation - because it shows how the 2 extremes don't have a clue.
Friedman vs Mao

I thought the whole point was to dig a canal!

It'll also double as a mass grave.

[mashman]

For those dickheads out there who don't understand how to connect the dots, you won't want to watch this because the guys is obviously a conspiracy theorist and you'll only pop something important, and I'm too young to die laughing.

[scumdog]

For those dickheads out there who don't understand how to connect the dots, you won't want to watch this because the guys is obviously a conspiracy theorist and you'll only pop something important, and I'm too young to die laughing.

'Former' - THAT rings alarm bells straight away...