My first poll for the NZ public

[bogan]

If you measure productivity by total revenue earned minus total consumption then in NZ today you get 55% consuming more than they earn.

Isn't that predominant?

No, I mean wouldn't 50% be 'normal' by that metric?

Predominant is also higher than a majority init? so talking 80%+ I would say.

[Ocean1]

No, I mean wouldn't 50% be 'normal' by that metric?

Predominant is also higher than a majority init? so talking 80%+ I would say.

It would be if the consumption in that 55% included a personal share of the nominal cost of infrastructure etc, but it's a straight tax paid / personal benefits collected sum. If you included non-benefit consumption in that calculation you may not find 80% running a deficit but you won't be far short.

What's wrong with expecting yer average bloke to stump up with the wherewithal to pay for his share of the country's costs AND support himself?

[Laava]

I would be prepared to vote on this poll if it was a binding referendum.

[Akzle]

Earned.

And I hope one day you have to live on no more than you earn.

Harsh, but you deserve it.

earn? Hows that?
Earn what?

Doesnt everyone get exactly what they deserve?

[Brian d marge]

What's wrong with expecting yer average bloke to stump up with the wherewithal to pay for his share of the country's costs AND support himself?

Nothing . . . In a perfect world

But between my money and helping the country or people

There are too many that dont need but are taking . . .most of those fkwrs in wellington for example

So i give direct cuts out the middle man

[Ocean1]

earn? Hows that?
Earn what?

Completely foreign concept, I know but it means freely exchanging your efforts with someone else's.

Doesnt everyone get exactly what they deserve?

Only in a free market.

[bogan]

It would be if the consumption in that 55% included a personal share of the nominal cost of infrastructure etc, but it's a straight tax paid / personal benefits collected sum. If you included non-benefit consumption in that calculation you may not find 80% running a deficit but you won't be far short.

What's wrong with expecting yer average bloke to stump up with the wherewithal to pay for his share of the country's costs AND support himself?

Ah, yup now I get ya (the 55% did seem low for the way I was thinking).

Nothing at all; in fact one could say it shows good moral fiber.

[Akzle]

Completely foreign concept, I know but it means freely exchanging your efforts with someone else's.



Only in a free market.

i do exchange my effort. Frequently for free. So that sounds like freely exchanging....

And by whos measure is it to be quant/qual-ified?

What effort has gone in to inventing 'money'?

And why do you need a 'market' to get whats deserved?

[Ocean1]

i do exchange my effort. Frequently for free. So that sounds like freely exchanging....

And by whos measure is it to be quant/qual-ified?

What effort has gone in to inventing 'money'?

And why do you need a 'market' to get whats deserved?

Good onya, makes you about on par with most people.

The person you're exchanging services with, who the fuck else should decide what it's worth?

Fuck all. What's' your point?

Because that's what it's called when you willingly exchange shit. The other thing is called theft.

[Akzle]

Good onya, makes you about on par with most people.

The person you're exchanging services with, who the fuck else should decide what it's worth?

Fuck all. What's' your point?

Because that's what it's called when you willingly exchange shit. The other thing is called theft.

sorry. Guess im thefting all these vegies, and these animals, and fish and what not.
So, then.what service/value would one exchange with whom, in being unemployed, thats worth a hunnit eighty buck a week?

[Ocean1]

sorry. Guess im thefting all these vegies, and these animals, and fish and what not.

Only if they belong to someone else.

You can continue to pretend to misunderstand basic economics till the cows come home, doesn't change the fact that every civilisation on earth has "invented" something similar because it represents a fair way to manage resource allocation. The ONLY people that hate it to death are those who want more than they they're willing to earn.

And outside of charity cases they can all get fucked.

So, then.what service/value would one exchange with whom, in being unemployed, thats worth a hunnit eighty buck a week?

Whatever ones your capable of which someone would willingly pay $180 for, obviously, again: the only ones pretending that's not fair are those that want something without having earned it.

And given that, if asked yer average taxpayer would decline to pay you $180 for fuck all the unemployment benefit does indeed represent theft.

[Akzle]

Only if they belong to someone else.

You can continue to pretend to misunderstand basic economics till the cows come home, doesn't change the fact that every civilisation on earth has "invented" something similar because it represents a fair way to manage resource allocation. The ONLY people that hate it to death are those who want more than they they're willing to earn.

And outside of charity cases they can all get fucked.



Whatever ones your capable of which someone would willingly pay $180 for, obviously, again: the only ones pretending that's not fair are those that want something without having earned it.

And given that, if asked yer average taxpayer would decline to pay you $180 for fuck all the unemployment benefit does indeed represent theft.

ahh. belong.

to whom does the land belong? or the animals? surely, when i take, i take off them, and god, i'm awful sorry for that, just let me know who i'm stealing from.

manage resource allocation? jeez that sound like a full time job... who's?

and what about the economic benefits of having people unemployed? surely that's worth paying 180$ a week for? infact, i'd say it's a fucking bargain...

[mashman]

ahh. belong.

Entitlement complex

[Ocean1]

ahh. belong.

to whom does the land belong? or the animals? surely, when i take, i take off them, and god, i'm awful sorry for that, just let me know who i'm stealing from.

manage resource allocation? jeez that sound like a full time job... who's?

and what about the economic benefits of having people unemployed? surely that's worth paying 180$ a week for? infact, i'd say it's a fucking bargain...

Aye, usually refers to wealth created by the individual in question. Created.

Land? Depends, mine belongs to me, what having paid for it an' all.

$180? I'd say the provision of fuck all is worth exactly $0.00.

[oldrider]

I remember Henry Ford had some interesting attitudes about value of human resource managent and rewards.

I think he increased wages and more than doubled production? Google might have some info on him!

Interesting ... can't sell product if customers don't have any money!