My first poll for the NZ public

[bogan]

So are you going to address the question , point I raised in order that I can address your question?

Stephen

Resource based economy, according to mashy I do not know his position on it so I cannot tell you any more. But he seems to think you know, so maybe you could tell me since he is so unwilling.

[Brian d marge]

Resource based economy, according to mashy I do not know his position on it so I cannot tell you any more. But he seems to think you know, so maybe you could tell me since he is so unwilling.

Thank you
Now have a think on this while I get me thoughts together

Abundance, Efficiency and Sustainability are, very simply, the enemies of profit

Stephen

[bogan]

Thank you
Now have a think on this while I get me thoughts together

Abundance, Efficiency and Sustainability are, very simply, the enemies of profit

Stephen

That depends on the perspective. Abundance of raw material for example, can be good for profit; as the materials cost for a product would be low. On the other hand, abundance leads to competition, which leads to lower profits per 'item'. Similary for sustainability, short term profits come at the expense of long term profits when sustainability is discarded. Efficiency, now that is the enemy of a monopoly, not profit; in fact efficiency goes hand in hand with profit, by driving down production costs.

[mashman]

and that is how you guage understanding, fuck you're a joke mashy

Not sure what the fuck you're on about... but it seems to have touched a nerve and that tickles me somewhat.

[bogan]

Not sure what the fuck you're on about... but it seems to have touched a nerve and that tickles me somewhat.

Your ability for self delusion is what makes you a joke, that and a complete inability to step up for what you 'believe'. All you are is the deluded whinging of a miserable cunt who is beyond help.

[mashman]

Your ability for self delusion is what makes you a joke, that and a complete inability to step up for what you 'believe'. All you are is the deluded whinging of a miserable cunt who is beyond help.

And again. Fuckin brilliant . Thanks

[bogan]

And again. Fuckin brilliant . Thanks

I wonder how many your delusions will drive away before you recognise them as such...

[mashman]

I wonder how many your delusions will drive away before you recognise them as such...

An expected minority.

[BuzzardNZ]

while this thread is mildly entertaining, the Shorai one was so much better.

[Ocean1]

while this thread is mildly entertaining, the Shorai one was so much better.

Stand by, the Japanese correspondent is about to enlighten us as to why business owners must avoid abundance, efficiency and sustainability at all costs.

[bogan]

while this thread is mildly entertaining, the Shorai one was so much better.

Ed did tend to (in the past, he has stopped doing this now) have a bit more spine when it came to 'backing' his opinions; which of course led to a more 'reasoned' discussion. Now there's a sentence I thought I'd never say

[Brian d marge]

Stand by, the Japanese correspondent is about to enlighten us as to why business owners must avoid abundance, efficiency and sustainability at all costs.

Well the others may be enlightened but unless ur head comes out of the sand / ur arse you will remain unenlightened

( and when I get a chance I will post )

[mashman]

Autonomous cars, etc. fully utilized in a Total Abundance Paradigm

[Brian d marge]

Stand by, the Japanese correspondent is about to enlighten us as to why business owners must avoid abundance, efficiency and sustainability at all costs.

Hold on to ur head ...its going to hurt.....



Abundance, Efficiency and Sustainability are, very simply, the enemies of profit. This scarcity logic also applies to the quality of goods. The idea of creating something that could last, say, a lifetime with little repair, is anathema to the market system, for it reduces consumption rates, which slows growth and creates systemic repercussions (loss of jobs, etc.). The scarcity attribute of the market system is nothing but detrimental for these reasons, not to mention that it doesn't even serve the role of efficient resource preservation, which is often claimed.

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

So to sum up Mashie ...( hope I have this right Mashie )

There are different point of detail but they share roughly similar points:

• Land shared between people with no title or ownership , eg Maori and plains Indians
  
  
• Shared means of production. Resulting in shared benefits of that production. ( a transport company in England where workers are shareholders of said company )

• Equality of resource sharing.
  
  
• common distribution of consumables / goods / commodities ( a fking big woolies )
  
• automation of the manufacturing process i.e. resources into semi-consumables and semi-consumables into consumables
  
• beyond the use of money, credit, barter, exchange, and all forms of interest bearing debt
  
• Removal of false scarcity

A move away from competitive behaviour to a cooperative behaviour - in order to overcome competitive behaviour or also the influence of pure greed,(shaming of persons that opt for a greedy individualistic Ideal ) Other ideals have to move up the priority list or in the common value system an example of this would be a proven example, Linux and the open Source community ( Android, Firefox web-browser ) In this example the Ideal of sharing knowledge in order to share the end result of a Operating system ....Though ....understanding where competition helps to sort out problems or options, and where cooperation is preferred in order to succeed

So, we would have a system of self imposed management of human and natural resources both locally and globally where the following happens:

• money is replaced by gratitude
  
• trading is replaced by gifting
  
• ownership is replaced by usership

in a way where everyone’s needs are met. This was the way Hunter gathers lived for thousands of years and have been reported to be the happiest most content people around

Stephen