My first poll for the NZ public

[bogan]

Not the point i was making and you know it

And if we only had one beer between three people we have a distribution and or a supply problem and would probably end up sharing that one beer

The point you were trying to make is that the economic model massively changes human nature; it is not a point I agree with. To raise the counterpoint to that I explained that human nature could be changed in a small scale emergent way a lot safer than as forcing a whole society to adopt a new economic model which would collapse said society if it failed. That it has not suggests the economic model is not responsible for human's selfishness.

(you also address not the point I was making an you know it) Fine, you and mashy go be the emergent ones then; but what happens when I have 3 beers and tell you cunts to fuck off. How does your usership not conflict with my refusal to gift in that situation?

[mashman]

You're the guardian of the beer. Entirely your choice.

[bogan]

You're the guardian of the beer. Entirely your choice.

And thus the conflict with the aformentioned usership "ownership is replaced by usership" clearly I still own those beers and you cannot perform any usership upon them; conflict.

[mashman]

And thus the conflict with the aformentioned usership "ownership is replaced by usership" clearly I still own those beers and you cannot perform any usership upon them; conflict.

Not at all. I could murder you then drink the beer without a second thought. I chose to see you as guardian of the beer. Big boy pants.

[Ocean1]

I am STILL waiting for you to explain some of your sweepers ....... Entropy???

oh and the other idiot to explain why low interest rates are a good thing ( at least all he has to do is expand on his statement)

Stephen

There's only so many times I'm prepared to explain shit to a deaf cunt, go look again if you're that desperate for enlightenment.

[bogan]

Not at all. I could murder you then drink the beer without a second thought. I chose to see you as guardian of the beer. Big boy pants.

Pretty sure murder counts as conflict bro

[Brian d marge]

There's only so many times I'm prepared to explain shit to a deaf cunt, go look again if you're that desperate for enlightenment.

Once would be enough . . .ya havent done that even

[Ocean1]

Abundance, Efficiency and Sustainability are, very simply, the enemies of profit. This scarcity logic also applies to the quality of goods. The idea of creating something that could last, say, a lifetime with little repair, is anathema to the market system, for it reduces consumption rates, which slows growth and creates systemic repercussions (loss of jobs, etc.). The scarcity attribute of the market system is nothing but detrimental for these reasons, not to mention that it doesn't even serve the role of efficient resource preservation, which is often claimed.

Stephen

Sure, there's cheap and nasty crap available. Always has been, I suggest you use the same judgement your granddaddy did when buying shit. Sure there's shortages of luxury products. Always has been, go ask your granddaddy why he don't have a Roller. And sure there's shit done to our environment that most of us would rather not happen. Guess how many rules apply to environmental compliance issues there are now that didn't exist even a decade ago.

Done all that? Good, then you'll now understand that you're argument above is full of shit, the current system has produced far more product, far better quality product and damaged the environment less than ever before. Honest. Go ask your granddaddy.

[Ocean1]

Once would be enough . . .ya havent done that even

Look again.

[Brian d marge]

The point you were trying to make is that the economic model massively changes human nature; it is not a point I agree with. To raise the counterpoint to that I explained that human nature could be changed in a small scale emergent way a lot safer than as forcing a whole society to adopt a new economic model which would collapse said society if it failed.

I agree with ya second point but ya first point has happened to nz

Since the 80s nz people have become a lot more . . . Me . .me me
It was the first thing i notice when i went back in the early 90s

You can see it everyday . .driving for example

A direct result of the bullsyt 80s experiment which praised individualism

Ya reap and you sow

[Brian d marge]

Look again.

You have hidden it well . . the powers are strong in you

[bogan]

I agree with ya second point but ya first point has happened to nz

Since the 80s nz people have become a lot more . . . Me . .me me
It was the first thing i notice when i went back in the early 90s

You can see it everyday . .driving for example

A direct result of the bullsyt 80s experiment which praised individualism

Ya reap and you sow

Thank you for conceding that.

There are a myriad of other factors during that timeframe too. Put it this way, what is stopping people like you and mashy and brand getting together, sharing everything, using your RBE inside such a community and only using the financial system for outside transactions?

[Brian d marge]

Thank you for conceding that.

There are a myriad of other factors during that timeframe too. Put it this way, what is stopping people like you and mashy and brand getting together, sharing everything, using your RBE inside such a community and only using the financial system for outside transactions?

Glad to have you aboard

And I always will concede to an articulate point

[mashman]

Pretty sure murder counts as conflict bro

Only if you struggle.

[bogan]

Glad to have you aboard

And I always will concede to an articulate point

Aboard? I left myself off that list because the idea of an RBE you and mashy put forward does not fit with my own. I'll have no problem jumping on board if you guys prove it can work, but personally I'll ensure my means greatly exceeds the needs/wants of an RBE society before helping initiate one, and ensure that the society's means greatly exceeds its needs/wants before joining one.