My first poll for the NZ public

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

It could work, if we were mindless drones.

Thats just it... we are and thats what the powers that be want you to be and stay like that so that they stay in power... but alas many want to stay this way because they simply don't see it.

Why do you go to work... to earn money pay tax so you can have a limited ammount of freedoms... the tax goes to government who pays of the the bankers with interest, so you can have a what you have today.

Take away the money aspect of it, no pay...

But you pay no tax, no rent, no bills, no banks taking your money, no insurance, no health care bills, no ACC, no petrol bill, no power bill, no money no trade no barter... nothing to buy as you are given what you require... food, shelter, clothes, education, health care, dental care, etc... The only thing money is good for is getting rich which is greed, so you can have power of someone that is no as wealthy as yourself.

No longer require your shoes or heater or the heater is broken, take it back to the recycle area get a new one, the heater is fix and given to the next person that requires, the shoes are recycled in some form.

Its a mind set you have to get out of, of puting a price tag on on something when there is no need to... time is money... take out the money aspect again time is your freedom of life, that everyone on this planet can and should have.

During WWI and WWII, things just got done even when there was no money to cover it... why not continue just doing what needs to be done, we have the technology to help and get it done, just do it. If we truly want to move forward as a society money is holding us back because we simply put a price on something...

Developing new free energy... intodays society costs and don't get developed as quickly as it could be because of not enough Cash.... take the money away...instead of costing billions... it just cost 200 people 200 hours to develop... and they are doing this development because they want to, not because they have to...

There was simple man a fisherman. He caught enough fish for the day for his family the odd time enough to give to friends who under caught for the day and vise versa. A westerner was speaking to him and asked what he likes doing in his spare time... the answer was he liked to fish as it was relaxing.

Okay said the western western why don't you sell the extra fish, save up buy a boat so you can go deeper for the fish... then sell the fish and save up to buy a second boat, hire a fisherman, and take a per-centage, from that before you know it you could have a fleet of boats and taking a percetage, so you could retire and do what you like doing.

The answer from the simple man who was a fisherman was, "I like to fish,I find it relaxing... I already do that." at the end of the day he had a roof over his head for when it rained, he had food in his stomach and his family were supported. He had clothes. He didn't want or need to more. He didn't want to force others to work for him, and take a percentage, to retire he was already doing what he wanted to do... Totally different mind set.

[mashman]

My plan is to watch Mad Max 1 & 2 at least once a week.....On my 50" Plasma, which currently has 3 consoles, 2 computers, a digital recorder,an amp, and a DVD player plugged into it.

Oh yeah.

Sounds like a nice setup. Wish I could afford something like that ... perhaps when i'm older and the kids have gone. Tis such a long long way away though and i want it NOW... lol

[mashman]

Your plan reminds me of the whitey capitalist farmers in Zimbabwe that got chased off the farms. When the locals turned up to distribute the crops amoung themselves ironically none had magicly been sown and grown by themselves.
Starved locals and whitey farmer gets blamed again.

Perhaps they weren't thinking straight when they demanded the farms. Kinda back fired didn't it.

[Coldrider]

Perhaps they weren't thinking straight when they demanded the farms. Kinda back fired didn't it.

yes well, capitalism organises resources.

[Headbanger]

and i want it NOW... lol

Credit.....

[mashman]

yes well, capitalism organises resources.

There are lots of ways to organise resources. I reckon doing it financially has to be one of the worst though. As for the new farmers. They didn't need money, the needed knowledge to succeed...

[mashman]

Credit.....

My wife hates the stuff and I can understand why as I know her family secrets . My reasons for not wanting credit are publicly available lol... I never had a credit card until I came to NZ... seems they're almost compulsory over here.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

seems they're almost compulsory over here.

I haven't got one never needed it ain't getting one... just like I ain't getting a cage license either...

[Coldrider]

There are lots of ways to organise resources. I reckon doing it financially has to be one of the worst though

which countries are doing in lots of different ways?

[oldrider]

When society began in NZ there were none of these systems and people survived and prospered.

Free trade, exchange and barter evolved until the gold standard and social debt and taxation were introduced for our "collective benefit"!

The nett result has gradually enslaved us to the systems and handed control of our lives to those who "control the systems"!

The controllers will not relinquish that power without a fight to the death!

In order to avoid that, they seek to control our minds, through "education"!

Such are the risks of state controlled education systems financed by those who benefit from the political control of our "reason"!

The only "State control" that I subscribe to is my "State of mind", the last bastion of individual freedom!

[Coldrider]

yep barter was truly amazing back then, swap a province for a couple of muskets and blankets, not that efficient though the transactions still being completed 150 years later.
but hey what value is a piece of paper wih a few quid etched upon it. The poms surely learnt how to strip wealth, as opposed to money.

[mashman]

which countries are doing in lots of different ways?

none of them. none of them have even tried since the gold standard started (to my knowledge, but plenty have been converted). why would you. money gives people power in a financial world... and some of that power is used to hold influence over those that don't care.

[Coldrider]

The gold standard is long gone, it is called 'fiat' money now.

[mashman]

The gold standard is long gone, it is called 'fiat' money now.

I can see how they thought that would work (3 ways are better than one, some form of failover)

The term fiat money is used to mean:

"any money declared by a government to be legal tender.[1]"

Made by anyone, used by everyone, no choice. I know that's happened before. Decimalisation in the UK in the 70's.

pre 1971 £1 = 20 Shillings = 240 pence
15-2-1971 £1 = 100 new pence

questionable source??? But wow where did the other 140 pence go?


"state-issued money which is neither legally convertible to any other thing, nor fixed in value in terms of any objective standard.[2]"

So money is measured by money and by money alone, no gold or resource, nothing? it is an item just the same as anything else. fair enough.


"money without intrinsic value.[3]"

So really you're paying me with something that's really worth nothing? but can be used to get anything you want?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money

If it's worth nothing and causes so much trouble in the community, then why would you keep using it? Same with P, Gambling, Drink etc...

And that is my "current" perception.

[Coldrider]

numbers are man made convention are they not?, what is anything worth, where in the universe do find a 3 or a 7 or a 1000047568686?