My first poll for the NZ public

[bogan]

You don't think I've done that huh? Big subjects have lots and lots and lots of little ways that they can be approached. Hence why you get so many variations that in their own right stand under an R.B.E. People react to their environment. Remove money issues from peoples lives, house them, feed them, give them power, beer, beer making kits, the fastest broadband, roads built to last, roading designed to take the rush hour flow of traffic and get half of it to go in the opposite direction to business centres away from an already chocka CBD (Generation Zero offering things in Auckland, you might be interested in their designs) etc...(or not at all, whatevs), do you really think people are going to react negatively towards being offered that future? The catch, you have to work, probably in the job you already do. All entirely feasible, because that's exactly what happens today. Real future. Police state. Pick one.

I do not think you do it enough to achieve a shared understanding.

The problem with that future is its sustainability or acheivability. Many people understand the link between work and reward, and think that by removing that link, the work output will reduce. Any significant reduction in work output would result in a reduction in quality of that future.

The tipping point for many of them will be when they are shown that a society can flourish when that link is removed. This is why I would very much like to see an example of a society within our own in which this is the case (ie, one which does not use currency internally); it is also why I suggest those who believe that would be the case, start one to show us.

[Gadget1]

You really are a lazy cunt, aren't you?

It's better than being a nasty bitter cunt like you. You fucking moron.

[Ocean1]

Shoeshine boys are more reliable
When they tell you to buy

Sell

Its worked before

It certainly explains your singularly extensive portfolio.

[Katman]

It's better than being a nasty bitter cunt like you. You fucking moron.

Perhaps you should ask Bogan for some of his tissues.

[mashman]

I do not think you do it enough to achieve a shared understanding.

The problem with that future is its sustainability or acheivability. Many people understand the link between work and reward, and think that by removing that link, the work output will reduce. Any significant reduction in work output would result in a reduction in quality of that future.

The tipping point for many of them will be when they are shown that a society can flourish when that link is removed. This is why I would very much like to see an example of a society within our own in which this is the case (ie, one which does not use currency internally); it is also why I suggest those who believe that would be the case, start one to show us.

Seems I do.

It is sustainable and it is achievable. Many do understand that link. Many accept that the link can be broken as easily as saying I no longer view it that way. What ever happened to being the change in favour of assimilation. I reckon more than you think will be the change.

Is that be the change hypocrisy I see in them thar hills?

[Brian d marge]

It only took me one post to ascertain your drivel though.

Hoewever, you are getting more coherent.

I dont give a flying . . .

Come back when you have something thats of interest

As a rule 6 post wonders fly in .
. red rep everyone then are never seen again . ,

[bogan]

Seems I do.

It is sustainable and it is achievable. Many do understand that link. Many accept that the link can be broken as easily as saying I no longer view it that way. What ever happened to being the change in favour of assimilation. I reckon more than you think will be the change.

Is that be the change hypocrisy I see in them thar hills?

Yet, the understanding remains unshared. Questions remain unanswered, I think those two things are related.

Again, if it were that easy, why is it not done on a small scale, to make the changes there and assimilate the rest of society that way?

I do not see any hypocrisy, so I would like to understand how you interpret it that way, would you elaborate?

[Brian d marge]

It certainly explains your singularly extensive portfolio.

What . . my paid for . . house in tokyo 2 cars 5 bikes

Now singular repertoire . . . Id agree with

Same song for how many years now . . . .

[mashman]

I take it you mean the National party. At least they're doing something.

Yes, and it's to a budget that dictates what they can do with policy etc... I get it.

[mashman]

When i get home ill post it

Hong kong pushing house prices and Isreal and the bbc

And a low water use garden

Sweet.

Ahhh, stupid world.

Cool.

[mashman]

Yet, the understanding remains unshared. Questions remain unanswered, I think those two things are related.

Again, if it were that easy, why is it not done on a small scale, to make the changes there and assimilate the rest of society that way?

I do not see any hypocrisy, so I would like to understand how you interpret it that way, would you elaborate?

I can't share your understanding. I can have a go, but to be honest, I get the feeling that that really isn't my job. I'm not saying that noone else could. Perhaps you could contact the Money Free Party and ask your questions in a civil manner and with a more open mind as you'd be dealing with someone else's perception of how they see it working. Plus the me bias would be out of the equation .

Ugh. I believe that you need the buy in of a majority vote in the country to get the ball rolling. Ubuntu. Or why the fuck are you here. I'm kind of at that stage. Dream small, great, understand that people are capable of stiflingly quick changes of mind (me included), it would seem to support the idea that they too may well be fed up with the shit way things are. The should be asked. Our resources like.

If

The tipping point for many of them will be when they are shown that a society can flourish when that link is removed

is the presumption of outcome, then you're removing the ability for that "many" to be the change. Stop calling for it if all you want to do is cut it off at the knees because it takes feelings and emotions and people into consideration in ways that it's nigh on impossible to measure. I see people being the change.

[bogan]

I can't share your understanding. I can have a go, but to be honest, I get the feeling that that really isn't my job. I'm not saying that noone else could. Perhaps you could contact the Money Free Party and ask your questions in a civil manner and with a more open mind as you'd be dealing with someone else's perception of how they see it working. Plus the me bias would be out of the equation .

Ugh. I believe that you need the buy in of a majority vote in the country to get the ball rolling. Ubuntu. Or why the fuck are you here. I'm kind of at that stage. Dream small, great, understand that people are capable of stiflingly quick changes of mind (me included), it would seem to support the idea that they too may well be fed up with the shit way things are. The should be asked. Our resources like.

If



is the presumption of outcome, then you're removing the ability for that "many" to be the change. Stop calling for it if all you want to do is cut it off at the knees because it takes feelings and emotions and people into consideration in ways that it's nigh on impossible to measure. I see people being the change.

That is the thing though, if we share it, it is neither mine nor yours.

What does a majority share facilitate that a voluntary minority cannot achieve for themselves though? And how is that a deal breaker for a minority starter society?

I do not see it that way at all, the starting people will be the change, those who join on at any time after that will also be the change. Just because you are shown that change works, does not prevent you from changing; it is quite the opposite in fact.

[mashman]

That is the thing though, if we share it, it is neither mine nor yours.

What does a majority share facilitate that a voluntary minority cannot achieve for themselves though? And how is that a deal breaker for a minority starter society?

I do not see it that way at all, the starting people will be the change, those who join on at any time after that will also be the change. Just because you are shown that change works, does not prevent you from changing; it is quite the opposite in fact.

Yes it is, it is mine and yours.

Nothing. I think those who want to go self sufficient should be allowed to and on their terms. A Resource Based Economy facilitates that without missing a beat and doesn't have the potential knock on affect of requiring some cuts to be made to essential services. In fact I think every human being deserves that same consideration. I consider it to be a deal breaker, because I'm sure these things have been tried before and eventually squeezed out by being affected by someone else's budget constraint. It's also like a gated community, whether it is meant to be or not because someone will always point the finger and miss the point of what they were trying to achieve. Shame really.

[bogan]

Yes it is, it is mine and yours.

Nothing. I think those who want to go self sufficient should be allowed to and on their terms. A Resource Based Economy facilitates that without missing a beat and doesn't have the potential knock on affect of requiring some cuts to be made to essential services. In fact I think every human being deserves that same consideration. I consider it to be a deal breaker, because I'm sure these things have been tried before and eventually squeezed out by being affected by someone else's budget constraint. It's also like a gated community, whether it is meant to be or not because someone will always point the finger and miss the point of what they were trying to achieve. Shame really.

If it works an rbe does those things, if it does not work cuts to essential services will occur.

Have such communities been tried and squeezed out in NZ?

[mashman]

If it works an rbe does those things, if it does not work cuts to essential services will occur.

Have such communities been tried and squeezed out in NZ?

That's happening anyway.

Not been here that long. Have there been?