My first poll for the NZ public

[Coldrider]

If that's the case. To what end?

not sure what you mean here? like a dropping on a snake in snakes & ladders or not throwing a six to finish the game.
To forgo ones national currency would be like surrendering your sovereignty.

[mashman]

not sure what you mean here? like a dropping on a snake in snakes & ladders or not throwing a six to finish the game.
To forgo ones national currency would be like surrendering your sovereignty.

Yes i had that same thought. But your national pride (sovereignty?) is not built upon your imports or exports.

[mashman]

Shameless dredge... The world still sucks, even more so than 6 months ago and i'd say a good 90% of that is financially related...

Whatever happened to the smart people? The so called leaders of the world... Oh yeah, they're reveered for their financial status/acumen , their intellect , their savoir faire which is anything but.

We throw money at situations left and right and all we ever hear is, it's not enough... WTF!!! Why don't "they" just print more money. YES "THEY" CAN PRINT MORE MONEY IF "THEY" WANT TO... OTHERWISE WHERE THE FUCK DOES IT COME FROM IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! How could the smart people have missed this?

If "they" can't print more money, tui, and there's never enough to go around, then perhaps getting rid of money would remove the financial barriers that keep so many people on the breadline? How could the smart people have missed such a simple solution to the every day struggles of human beings?

I know it can be done and i'm a run of the mill thick prick. It looks bloody easy to do too... Why haven't the smart people figured this out yet?. Lack of vision? Lack of leadership? Lack of Brains? or is it because your position in the world is depicted by the amount of money you earn (read decision making)?

Seems like the smart people really ain't that smart at all... GAH, bunch of shortsighted morons...

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrr

money = financial system or any other system of barter for that matter

[Latte]

How do I get a new speed triple if there isn't teh moneyz ?

Partially serious - a non feudal (I think thats the right term) system appears to be great to cover "needs". But I can't get my head around how it works for "wants".

[mashman]

How do I get a new speed triple if there isn't teh moneyz ?

Partially serious - a non feudal (I think thats the right term) system appears to be great to cover "needs". But I can't get my head around how it works for "wants".

I'll get to the triple

My version: We use NZ (proves to the world that it can be done, still has "large elements" of a culture that, until relatively recently, lived financially free (ok they traded, and so will we to a degree)

The wants. Most wants are fads anyway, marketted, advertised, targetted etc... The short version.

You've just rendered, probably half of your population unemployed. Businesses that's are making a profit will leave because there's no money to be made. You can now educate new teachers, doctors, nurses, rescue services, police, motorcycle designers , scientists, basically want producers, sports people (we'll still be part of the world and we'll still probably play sports) etc...

What are your wants going to be? A TV, an Iphone, Make Up , the latest PC and all of that really really really really really really useful stuff? If you're about to live in a financially free country and the world has accepted that, i'm sure they'll throw us a few techy toys every now and then... that's if we don't start manufacturing our own toys locally (we don't have any financial constraints)

Anyway, the trippple... You could order the bike as a kit. It will be sent to your house. The engine will be complete, but you'll need organise the rest of the assembly yourself... ask a mate or pop to the local mechanics or engineers place... Have certified motorbike builder people, dunno... there's plenty of variations given the new workforce available and the generosity of the rest of the world ...

I'm sure the wants will take care of themselves. But i reckon once your "needs" are covered, your wants will change dramatically, especially when you only work 4 hour days, 4 days a week The rest of the world will still be taking part, we're just trialling things for them and i'm sure the wants will be catered for... we'd all be sensible, right

Dunno about a feudal system, not really sure what it would be called, perhaps it shouldn't be looked at as a system... kinda illustrating the point further...

It may not work at all, but i'd be surprised given the current state of affairs...

[schrodingers cat]

I'm sure you're a nice bloke Mashman but you're looking like a twit here. No financal system? Might as well try to eliminate rain.

You could do it if you lived on a Desert Island with no-one except immediate family or fellow zealots. I presume you would be their glorious leader?
Can't see a group of more than 30 pax working. Would need to be in a region of temperate climate and an abundance of natural resources.
You would need a large exclusion zone so you NEVER come into contact with ANY other group.
It may also work (briefly) if you adopt a total subsistence lifestyle and NEVER generate a surplus.

Rather than disagree with me I'd prefer you explained your utopia.
Please factor in human nature...

[mashman]

I'm sure you're a nice bloke Mashman but you're looking like a twit here. No financal system? Might as well try to eliminate rain.

You could do it if you lived on a Desert Island with no-one except immediate family or fellow zealots. I presume you would be their glorious leader?
Can't see a group of more than 30 pax working. Would need to be in a region of temperate climate and an abundance of natural resources.
You would need a large exclusion zone so you NEVER come into contact with ANY other group.
It may also work (briefly) if you adopt a total subsistence lifestyle and NEVER generate a surplus.

Rather than disagree with me I'd prefer you explained your utopia.
Please factor in human nature...

heh, I know how it sounds all too well (nice or not is irrelevant really, if forest gump came up with the notion i'd still agree) and thanks for being so polite ... @ the glorious leader, not interested, there are MANY more capable than me , MANY more smarter than me, better communicators blah blah blah...

People will be people. People will still be twits and espouse outlandish ideas, financial system or not. People will still get pissed up and go beat someone stupid, financial system or not. People will be exactly the way they are (as you point out), but I hope, and believe, that people would be a lot less duplicitous in day to day life and would inherently trust each other more, if financial gain wasn't a factor. After that it's anyone's guess, but I can only hope that the new found equity would be enough to promote competition, forward thinking (wanky maybe), but that rather than a greed for a plot of land, someones TV, someones car etc... type of society that we have now.

All i can do is hope that people would see the value in the ?"ideal"? of a less than perfect life v's what we have today. Dream on maybe. I fully understand that I have to live this life and actually love it to pieces, but it could be much better and I think about it from time to time .

I hope i stuck to the remit so much hope

[Virago]

Unfortunately there's only so much you can say about the fairies at the bottom of the garden, before it all becomes rather boring.

Obsession doesn't prove a point.

[mashman]

Unfortunately there's only so much you can say about the fairies at the bottom of the garden, before it all becomes rather boring.

Obsession doesn't prove a point.

The ideal just rules my life.

[schrodingers cat]

I hope i stuck to the remit so much hope

I think Buddahism or B'Hai is more your thing - not economics

Altruism stems from surplus. Surplus implies production and trade and (usually) some system of production and distribution.

Trouble is; IT IS WHAT IT IS. It can't be anything other

[Virago]

The ideal just rules my life.

Unfortunately proselytising zealots can seldom recognise their own obsession. There may yet be hope for you - come back towards the light...

[mashman]

I think Buddahism or B'Hai is more your thing - not economics

Altruism stems from surplus. Surplus implies production and trade and (usually) some system of production and distribution.

Trouble is; IT IS WHAT IT IS. It can't be anything other

The only thing I enjoyed about economics was the Lecturer... she was mighty purdy

Fair enough. Could be i'm chasing the wrong rainbow

Unfortunately proselytising zealots can seldom recognise their own obsession. There may yet be hope for you - come back towards the light...

IT'S A TRAP... google dictionary has been takin a batterin tonight .
I am the light, bow before my greatness

[avgas]

I think Buddahism or B'Hai is more your thing - not economics

Altruism stems from surplus. Surplus implies production and trade and (usually) some system of production and distribution.

Trouble is; IT IS WHAT IT IS. It can't be anything other

Listen to him. He could be telling this from beyond the grave. I don't know yet - haven't opened the box. But it's possible.

[SMOKEU]

We can all use Bitcoins.

[mashman]

We can all use Bitcoins.

Did you not see that they're going after the bitcoin exchanges? google is gonna be launching theirs soon, so it might be worth having a read and then think about cashing up.