My first poll for the NZ public

[bogan]

Well I'm not out murdering people in their sleep. I don't have A single good reason. There are at bare minimum 7 billion.

A hurdle of your own making.

But we established yours is so similar to the financial system that running within it is possible and even preferable. Stop putting up road blocks and give it a go.

Snake Oil.

[mashman]

But we established yours is so similar to the financial system that running within it is possible and even preferable. Stop putting up road blocks and give it a go.

Snake Oil.

No, you established yourself a preference that I did not. Not my problem you can't see past your own preference and the roadblocks you put up to stop yourself from gaining a higher understanding. The roadblocks certainly aren't mine.

Yet another hurdle of your own making.

[bogan]

No, you established yourself a preference that I did not. Not my problem you can't see past your own preference and the roadblocks you put up to stop yourself from gaining a higher understanding. The roadblocks certainly aren't mine.

Yet another hurdle of your own making.

We established a shared understanding of your system, we shared the understanding that the core principals behind both yours and the financial system were the same. You've created a road-block to achieving your utopia by arbitrarily assigning its borders to a whole country, I have not. I'm living my utopian system, you are not living in yours.

Snake oil.

[mashman]

We established a shared understanding of your system, we shared the understanding that the core principals behind both yours and the financial system were the same. You've created a road-block to achieving your utopia by arbitrarily assigning its borders to a whole country, I have not. I'm living my utopian system, you are not living in yours.

Snake oil.

No we didn't, because you're still asking questions and making false assumptions based on what you believe that I believe. You believe it is impossible outwith being able to grow it organically, I believe there is a more efficient manner i.e. offering to put in place something that will offer everyone single person the same options. As you say, there will likely those who self organise before the change. Good on them. But it's not my view of how it has to be. I said it would take a country to make it more likely to stick, not to restrict anything and also to prove to the world that it is possible on a large scale, so there are no roadblocks as it is still a natural progression.

[bogan]

No we didn't, because you're still asking questions and making false assumptions based on what you believe that I believe. You believe it is impossible outwith being able to grow it organically, I believe there is a more efficient manner i.e. offering to put in place something that will offer everyone single person the same options. As you say, there will likely those who self organise before the change. Good on them. But it's not my view of how it has to be. I said it would take a country to make it more likely to stick, not to restrict anything and also to prove to the world that it is possible on a large scale, so there are no roadblocks as it is still a natural progression.

Nothing has been shown to be false so far. No, I do not. Nor do I beleive you think that is how it has to be, we both just know that is how it could be. Given that point, why do you not live that way? why wait? why create your own roadblocks?

Snake Oil.

[Ocean1]

Also, I thought you'd leap at the chance of a Resource Based Economy, as it gives everyone nothing to whinge about.

Depends on the definition of "resource".

In your case it's obviously "whatever I say it means". And it changes from day to day.

In fact in the context of "economy", "resource" is a weasel word, coined by people who like to consider other people's "resources" as available for general consumption.

As always: you want it, you earn it.

[Katman]

As always: you want it, you earn it.

And where does 'want it' become greed?

[Ocean1]

And where does 'want it' become greed?

When it's available without earning it.

[Brian d marge]

When it's available without earning it.

Interest on money then

[Ocean1]

Interest on money then

Why would you expect to borrow money without earning it?

[Brian d marge]

Why would you expect to borrow money without earning it?

Is the interest on the loan earnt?

Eg i get given some money then i lend it to you at 18 percent . . .

Did i earn anything ????

I made money . . . .but I didnt work for it

[Ocean1]

Is the interest on the loan earnt?

Eg i get given some money then i lend it to you at 18 percent . . .

Did i earn anything ????

I made money . . . .but I didnt work for it

The customer says yes.

I don't borrow money at 18%.

No matter where the money came from it's the bank's liability, if the loan doesn't earn at least inflation level interest over a couple of decades or goes tits up in the meantime you've certainly lost rather a lot haven't you?

If you don't like either the cost or the source of the loan then you have the ultimate control over that situation: Don't borrow it.

[Brian d marge]

The customer says yes.

I don't borrow money at 18%.

No matter where the money came from it's the bank's liability, if the loan doesn't earn at least inflation level interest over a couple of decades or goes tits up in the meantime you've certainly lost rather a lot haven't you?

If you don't like either the cost or the source of the loan then you have the ultimate control over that situation: Don't borrow it.

Is the act of making money off a loan concidered working for it

[Brian d marge]

There ya go bogie

https://youtu.be/4r06_F2FIKM

Heres a face to the quote

Shes swedish and all

[bogan]

There ya go bogie

https://youtu.be/4r06_F2FIKM

Heres a face to the quote

Shes swedish and all

English problems again? I said fact, fact to the quote, not face. With a T. Got it? Good, now scurry off and try again.