My first poll for the NZ public

**Brian d marge** · 11th July 2015, 16:43

Originally Posted by mashman

It's not hard to look smart when you own the rigged game though is it. If you had their knowledge would it really make you any smarter?

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... gotta jump in at some point.

No Id have all that knowledge and still go down pub

Wake up on monday morning having screwed up a rigged game that was in my favor and a dead cert

Im still waiting for shergar to win rhe grand national so I can cash out of my investment

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**mashman** · 11th July 2015, 17:04

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

No Id have all that knowledge and still go down pub

Wake up on monday morning having screwed up a rigged game that was in my favor and a dead cert

Im still waiting for shergar to win rhe grand national so I can cash out of my investment

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bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaa... at least you'll have fueled the economy... likely entitling you to a Peace Prize or sommink.

Good horse shergar, sound investment mate.

**Ocean1** · 11th July 2015, 17:48

Originally Posted by mashman

Only because you have to pay them in order for them to be able to live. Ditch the financial element to that equation and I wouldn't give a shit if they contribute or not, because they are no longer a hindrance. Mankind can use whatever resources they like for whatever purpose*. No need for the lazy to "acquire" money in ways that the financial system deems illegal and that causes people harm. I do wish you would re-consider your position in regards to a Resource Based Economy, because it looks as though victory has defeated you (batman line, meh).

*Technology, Education, Rockets, Etheric dwellings, Healthcare par excellence, less reasons to be a criminal, more reasons to get stuck in, Flying cars, every structure reinforced with concrete, colonisation of the moon/mars/wherever etc... there are no limits when you have unlimited money by virtue of it not existing. Believe. I know it sounds like a cat poster (lego movie line, meh).

Ditching money does not make resources infinite. Nor does the lack of money make them available to people that don't either create them or earn them.

In the meantime, what resources exist can be and are most effectively traded by those who do create and earn them by the use of agreed value units called money.

The single attraction in forgoing the use of money is the fact that without it your lazy non-contributor would be removed from the gene pool. Having not created or earned anything he's got nothing to contribute to any exchange, unless his peers see him as a charity case why would they give him anything?

**FJRider** · 11th July 2015, 18:11

Originally Posted by Ocean1

In the meantime, what resources exist can be and are most effectively traded by those who do create and earn them by the use of agreed value units called money.

ANY resourse or item that can be created or supplied ... can be traded. Effective "Value" would be entirely up to those that have an actual/percieved demand/requirement for such ...

Originally Posted by Ocean1

The single attraction in forgoing the use of money is the fact that without it your lazy non-contributor would be removed from the gene pool. Having not created or earned anything he's got nothing to contribute to any exchange, unless his peers see him as a charity case why would they give him anything?

As such ... it would be stupid to remove money from the system ...

**mashman** · 11th July 2015, 18:45

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Ditching money does not make resources infinite. Nor does the lack of money make them available to people that don't either create them or earn them.

In the meantime, what resources exist can be and are most effectively traded by those who do create and earn them by the use of agreed value units called money.

The single attraction in forgoing the use of money is the fact that without it your lazy non-contributor would be removed from the gene pool. Having not created or earned anything he's got nothing to contribute to any exchange, unless his peers see him as a charity case why would they give him anything?

I agree, but it will allow for weapons materials to be put to a more productive usage... plus getting rid of barbie dolls and other superfluous shit will go a long way towards making resource much more available, and precious. I get the whole no free lunch thing... but a Resource Based Economy is a much better shit sandwich. Some will create, some will be lazy. Why let that stop creation? Give it time and education and creation will be much more prevalent in society than it is today.

Ammunition and effective use do not compute. Neither does the production of barbie dolls. Nor cheap shit that'll die in less than 20 years. Shit matters coz "dead" resource, as you say, dead resource... so much of it really needn't have been "wasted". V's a Resource Based Economy, the financial system creates way too many problems in order to try to be "fair". When it really isn't. Again, needlessly so in too many places.

Fuck 'em. Let 'em do what they choose to do. If they're cunt enough to take advantage, then they'll do that irrespective of economy. An R.B.E. removes the need for the cunt to immorally violate another to finance that lifestyle. Seriously, ignore them i.e. food, water etc... and they're not going to be an issue. Why let their existence prevent the rest from moving forwards at break neck speed? Too many bankers/people are trained to do things there aren't enough jobs for or are too expensive. Degrees students in Maccas paying their dues is not my idea of an effective use of training. Not to mention the "bullshit" jobs for jobs sake. All very doable and relatively easy to implement (under an RBE)... especially if you consider, for your own entertainment perhaps, the effects of a Resource Based Economy on things like IP and internet security. Sigh... heh.

**mashman** · 14th July 2015, 08:58

**Brian d marge** · 14th July 2015, 15:12

The IMF put it like this in a review of the Greek programme in 2011: "The asset transfer [in other words privatisation] would create a basis for new investment and growth; indeed the state enterprises involved already represent about 15% of total Greek investment and 2-3% of value added, and new owners would have an incentive to make them more productive

Or you could use asset stripping such as the americans use

Me , Im thinking rice might be a good currency

Have a bag of it at home

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**mashman** · 14th July 2015, 20:11

Children miss out on free doctor visits

"He said he was "stunned" by the uptake level.". Kids are sick dude. What did he expect? That no one out there was sick and that everyone can afford to find that extra $ to get their kid to the doctor? And when it's a false alarm you can't get it back. Not much out of touch... only completely. Proof that it's a financial problem for far too many.

**mashman** · 15th July 2015, 20:50

**Ocean1** · 15th July 2015, 21:00

Originally Posted by mashman

And this is the official letterhead, is it? Except nothing less?

**Brian d marge** · 15th July 2015, 21:09

Originally Posted by Ocean1

And this is the official letterhead, is it? Except nothing

Fixed it for you

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**bogan** · 15th July 2015, 21:09

Originally Posted by Ocean1

And this is the official letterhead, is it? Except nothing less?

That's gotta be sponsored by the bankers, shirley...

**mashman** · 15th July 2015, 22:03

Originally Posted by Ocean1

And this is the official letterhead, is it? Except nothing less?

That's just one of them silly. They'll all have their catchy chunes. In theory we could end up with 121 different Resource Based Economy making up parliament.