My first poll for the NZ public

[Brian d marge]

Or....

The philosophy is rooted in some ideas that are fundamentally opposed by our base and animalistic nature - thus any attempt to bring about the Communist Utopia invariably leads to an attempt (by force) to get people to adhere, which in turn leads to murderous dictatorships when those people don't want to adhere.

To quote Jordan Peterson on this subject "How many more times and how many more Millions need to die before people realise it is flawed"

Or as I put it - Communism is a wonderful idea, except for the bit requiring Humans.

Most, if not all successful ancient cultures were communists. In fact, without communism the society collapses.

[Woodman]

Most, if not all successful ancient cultures were communists. In fact, without communism the society collapses.

Where are these successful cultures now?

[Ocean1]

Most, if not all successful ancient cultures were communists. In fact, without communism the society collapses.

Actually, what collapses is the parasitic elements in the community.

And what ancient history demonstrates about totalitarian communist societies is that the longer force is used to prop up the parasites then the faster that society dies.

And the solution is real simple, you don't even have to shoot the fucking parasites: you just have to stop feeding them.

You do have to shoot any fuckwit forcing society to feed the parasites though.

[Brian d marge]

Actually, what collapses is the parasitic elements in the community.

And what ancient history demonstrates about totalitarian communist societies is that the longer force is used to prop up the parasites then the faster that society dies.

And the solution is real simple, you don't even have to shoot the fucking parasites: you just have to stop feeding them.

You do have to shoot any fuckwit forcing society to feed the parasites though.

See my post on not having a clue,

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[Ocean1]

See my post on not having a clue,

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https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131048141

[Brian d marge]

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/122031-My-first-poll-for-the-NZ-
public?p=1131048141#post1131048141

"my" post , but we can use yours it achieves a similar purpose. In the mean time , how its the formation of the ideas regarding " communism or socialism going?

Strung together a half decent repost?

[Ocean1]

"my" post , but we can use yours it achieves a similar purpose. In the mean time , how its the formation of the ideas regarding " communism or socialism going?

Strung together a half decent repost?

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[TheDemonLord]

Most, if not all successful ancient cultures were communists. In fact, without communism the society collapses.

Uwotm8?

Care to back that up? Considering most would be free market capitalist societies being either a democracy (Romans and Greeks) Monarchies (Rule Brittania, Spain), Dictatorships (Ceasar, Ghengis Kharn) or theocracies (The Vatican and it's influence).

[Brian d marge]

Uwotm8?

Care to back that up? Considering most would be free market capitalist societies being either a democracy (Romans and Greeks) Monarchies (Rule Brittania, Spain), Dictatorships (Ceasar, Ghengis Kharn) or theocracies (The Vatican and it's influence).

American Indians , abbos, Saxons before the Romans, reindeer herders
And if u give me some time , I'll think of a whole ton more
And if you want I will tell you why
But .....( might do that off thread as I don't want to influence my dearest oceans contemplation )

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[Ocean1]

And if you want I will tell you why
But .....( might do that off thread as I don't want anyone to point out that I was shown to be completely full of shite last time I mad that claim.)

[Brian d marge]

Go on then , balls in your court
Show me where I was full of shyte

,Communism and socialism are the topic
And I said " you don't know what ur talking about"

Game set and match , to the man wearing the tinfoil hat ,I reckon

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[TheDemonLord]

American Indians , abbos, Saxons before the Romans, reindeer herders
And if u give me some time , I'll think of a whole ton more
And if you want I will tell you why
But .....( might do that off thread as I don't want to influence my dearest oceans contemplation )

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But - you said "Successful"....

The Inuit, the Native Americans and Aboriginals - not exactly high on the success rankings - No great Empires, No major advances in Science or Technology, No great trading networks, No great literary works.

All Insular and isolated peoples (with the exceptions of the Saxons)

I'd also challenge that they were Communist - since they never got passed the extended family/tribal unit stage.

[Brian d marge]

But - you said "Successful"....

The Inuit, the Native Americans and Aboriginals - not exactly high on the success rankings - No great Empires, No major advances in Science or Technology, No great trading networks, No great literary works.

All Insular and isolated peoples (with the exceptions of the Saxons)

I'd also challenge that they were Communist - since they never got passed the extended family/tribal unit stage.

You might have to review those thoughts
They did quite well for many a year.
Granted , a reindeer in the corners is slightly better than a Enfield and not as good as a cx500
But u must admit they did quite well for quite a bit longer than our attempt.


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[TheDemonLord]

You might have to review those thoughts
They did quite well for many a year.
Granted , a reindeer in the corners is slightly better than a Enfield and not as good as a cx500
But u must admit they did quite well for quite a bit longer than our attempt.


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Did they?

Look at the Chinese, the Vikings, the Greeks, The Egyptians, The Persians.

Sorry - the best they did was Survive - and the ultimate proof of the pudding is what happened when they encountered Civilizations that were ACTUALLY successful...

[Brian d marge]

Did they?

Look at the Chinese, the Vikings, the Greeks, The Egyptians, The Persians.

Sorry - the best they did was Survive - and the ultimate proof of the pudding is what happened when they encountered Civilizations that were ACTUALLY successful...

What about the Chinese , the Vikings the Egyptians, the Persians
Where would u like to start?
The Chinese trading silver for the Egyptian gold ? Which required slaves and guards supplied by war
The Persians resistance against the Greek fiat money?
And these are examples of successful civilizations?
Meanwhile in mud huts in the Amazon jungle the natives keep trundling on in a bottom up Communistic tradition.....

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