Is it ok to stand her up?

[javawocky]

Just had a great ART day at Pukie - Love the flowing nature and speed.

Anyway, I have a technical question. After watching California super-bike school vids of the interwebs, I discovered the stand up technique of pulling the inside bar when exiting a corner to stand it up when coming onto the gas. Fells good and gives me a sense of security that I am less likely to high side it.

Keith, one of our instructors in group 2, helped me out heaps to get smoother and faster on the day (good on ya!) but he mentioned that I didn't need to stand her up out of Castrol corner. Although I followed his advice it raised the question:

1) When should the stand up technique be used? What type of corners etc.
2) What advantage does it give?

I look forward to your varied and opinionated responses

[Gwinch]

Standing the bike up while getting on the gas means that there will be more rubber on the road due to the profile of the tyre and hence, you have more grip. Simple as that. Looks almost comical when you see Dani Pedrosa still hanging with most of his body off the bike because of his very small body mass!

[avgas]

Do it if it feels good.
Masturbation 101 really.

[Sentox]

Standing the bike up while getting on the gas means that there will be more rubber on the road due to the profile of the tyre and hence, you have more grip. Simple as that. Looks almost comical when you see Dani Pedrosa still hanging with most of his body off the bike because of his very small body mass!

This isn't necessarily true; your contact patch doesn't always shrink as you move further away from the center of the tire. What is true, however, is that your suspension will work better the more vertical it is, maintaining better contact between the tire and the ground.

This question strikes me as a little strange, anyway. As you exit a corner, you have to stand the bike up, otherwise you'll continue your arc until you run off the track. For the bike to stand up, the front wheel has to pointed in the direction of the turn you're exiting (ie, if you're in a right turn, leaned over to the right, the front wheel will have to point further right). It will happen no matter what; all we're talking about here is a conscious, physical action (pulling on the inside bar).

[javawocky]

Do it if it feels good.
Masturbation 101 really.

Ha, it felt good to go into the corner really late in the early sessions and square off and sling shot down the steight but it felt oh so much better to carve the curve smoothly and gain more exit speed =)

This isn't necessarily true; your contact patch doesn't always shrink as you move further away from the center of the tire. What is true, however, is that your suspension will work better the more vertical it is, maintaining better contact between the tire and the ground.

This question strikes me as a little strange, anyway. As you exit a corner, you have to stand the bike up, otherwise you'll continue your arc until you run off the track. For the bike to stand up, the front wheel has to pointed in the direction of the turn you're exiting (ie, if you're in a right turn, leaned over to the right, the front wheel will have to point further right). It will happen no matter what; all we're talking about here is a conscious, physical action (pulling on the inside bar).

The bike will stand up naturally as you put the power on, but I believe people like Dani Padrosa do it to get on the power earlier. I think you do have a point regarding the suspention though.

[Devil]

The point is to get the power to the ground earlier. You cant do that when you're still cranked right over. The quicker you can get the bike upright, the quicker you can get on the gas. More applicable to more powerful bikes.

[woodyracer]

From expirience....it hurts less when you crash leaning the bike over heaps.......

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

Good technique to lower laptimes by a nano second, otherwise not super important to think about. It is good to get you thinking about dynamics of lean and throttle though.

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Horses for courses:
Big capacity bikes create lots of HP, getting her stood up gives the tyre a better chance of coping with the forces involved.
Squaring the corner off (Pedrosa style), weighting the outside peg on or soon after the apex and standing her up then gassing is one way.
Using higher corner speed (Foggarty/Spies style) and getting on the gas progressively a little later is the other.
I see it as a personel preferance and either works better on some corners to others.

[Devil]

Horses for courses:
Big capacity bikes create lots of HP, getting her stood up gives the tyre a better chance of coping with the forces involved.
Squaring the corner off (Pedrosa style), weighting the outside peg on or soon after the apex and standing her up then gassing is one way.
Using higher corner speed (Foggarty/Spies style) and getting on the gas progressively a little later is the other.
I see it as a personel preferance and either works better on some corners to others.

You can increase your average corner speed by putting more emphasis on getting the bike turned (upright to leaned, leaned to upright) faster. This lets you spend less time at max lean where you're stuck at one speed (assuming a constant radius corner).

But of course it is dependent on the shape of the corner. A Twist of the Wrist 2 spends considerable time explaining what i'm talking about here.

[javawocky]

You can increase your average corner speed by putting more emphasis on getting the bike turned (upright to leaned, leaned to upright) faster. This lets you spend less time at max lean where you're stuck at one speed (assuming a constant radius corner).

But of course it is dependent on the shape of the corner. A Twist of the Wrist 2 spends considerable time explaining what i'm talking about here.

What I can take away from this is I probably need to experement with both techniques at this stage and see what suits. I suppose experence will teach me which corners will benefit more from which style.

[FROSTY:Me]

THINK LESS RIDE MORE-- Javawokky heres what I saw. Youre treating jennian (t1) the esses and castrol as 3 seperate events and so castrol is a corner unto itself for you.
For this argument lets just say they are actually ONE corner. So your'e on the s/f straight at full noise-pull as far to the left as possible and do your setup-gear position etc Look through jennian till you can see the esses and turn. See if you can cut the grass on the right inside of Jennian. this will set you up for a straght run through the esses and with a small lean into castrol what this means is you are carrying a lot more speed in but its now virtually a straight line so you can brake a bit. NOW you can decide what works for you because you've set yourself up. Following a duck monster and a old gsx1100 through there I think the safest option for you now is to sweep Castrol with a slightly leading throttle and get on the gas really hard as you are all but vertical -you might even find it pulls the bike vertical a bit for you.
On my sv racebike I was turning earlier than guys on 4's so I could gas across the inside apex and be hard on the gas towards the left side of the back straight.
Keeping in mind you dont have HP like guys on 4's but you have a truck load of torque.
Also try slowing your speed about 10% so you are totally in your comfort zone before doing this stuff.the speed isnt as important as the lines
But then I dunno much about goin fast

[Biggles08]

this thread is funny shit :-D

[Peter Smith]

But then I dunno much about goin fast

Classic. LOL.
I agree with your comments about the corners.

With any corner that leads on to a long straight you want to get on the gas as early as possible, so with castrol you can drift out wide as you exit the esses then turn in a little later and get on the gas early driving through the corner, appexing a little later in the corner.
Drifting out wide may make you a little slower to get to the corner but you will carry the extra exit speed all the way down the straight.
And as said in the previous post.
But then I dunno much about goin fast .

[FROSTY:Me]

this thread is funny shit :-D

Keep in mind dude he's not a racer