Is it ok to stand her up?

[Tim 39]

Just had a great ART day at Pukie - Love the flowing nature and speed.

Anyway, I have a technical question. After watching California super-bike school vids of the interwebs, I discovered the stand up technique of pulling the inside bar when exiting a corner to stand it up when coming onto the gas. Fells good and gives me a sense of security that I am less likely to high side it.

Keith, one of our instructors in group 2, helped me out heaps to get smoother and faster on the day (good on ya!) but he mentioned that I didn't need to stand her up out of Castrol corner. Although I followed his advice it raised the question:

1) When should the stand up technique be used? What type of corners etc.
2) What advantage does it give?

I look forward to your varied and opinionated responses

I think it's good that you ask people when you're not sure... so I'm going to attempt to be helpful...

Pretty much all steering input on your bike is countersteering as I'm suere you'll know already. All this means is that this is how you tell the bike where you want to go, personally I wouldn't "stand it up" as much as you're implying but everyone develops their own style. While standing it up feels better to get on the gas, you don't turn if you dont lean... so you end up breaking riding into stages... braking turning and driving out of corners. with this riding technique you will struggle to be smooth enough to go fast.

Anyway more to the point... What I recommend is that you brake, and then progressively release the brake as you near the apex, then as you release the brake completely you start opening the throttle very slowly and rolling through as you exit the corner, because you're increasing the power the bike stands itself up... because of this the bike will be standing more upright by the time you're driving hard anyway (hard on the gas for non racer talk). If you practice getting this smooth technique sorted it will feel really good as your bike won't be pitching all the time (weight transfer front to back) it'll be pitched forward on the brakes progressively going to neutral and then starting to squat at the rear as you get on the power. It depends on bike setup and riding style where you'll need to actively steer your bike, my trait is that I get on the gas really early and drive hard... so my bike will stand up by itself and I need to hold it in a bit.

anyway I'm happy to help people that help themselves and want to learn so if you have any questions on what I've said feel free to ask (I'm not on here all that much so may need to PM me)

Hope that helps anyway

Tim McArthur

[Biggles08]

Funnier that you two seem to think ya know better. Where'd you finish in the nats Marcus, and in a field of how many that attended all six rounds? And when was the last time you raced, let alone finished worth note Ryan?

Oh go back and play with the cows!

On the contrary Mr Smarty pants...that's exactly why I have not attempted to tell him the correct way of 'standing it up'....cause I'm sloooow and why should he listen to me!

[puddy]

Just had a great ART day at Pukie - Love the flowing nature and speed.

Anyway, I have a technical question. After watching California super-bike school vids of the interwebs, I discovered the stand up technique of pulling the inside bar when exiting a corner to stand it up when coming onto the gas. Fells good and gives me a sense of security that I am less likely to high side it.

Keith, one of our instructors in group 2, helped me out heaps to get smoother and faster on the day (good on ya!) but he mentioned that I didn't need to stand her up out of Castrol corner. Although I followed his advice it raised the question:

1) When should the stand up technique be used? What type of corners etc.
2) What advantage does it give?

I look forward to your varied and opinionated responses

I always stand up unless I'm taking a dump too, or if I'm drunk as fuck.

[javawocky]

I think it's good that you ask people when you're not sure... so I'm going to attempt to be helpful...

...Hope that helps anyway

Tim McArthur

Thanks that is helpful. I don't think I will ever forget seeing Keith on his GSXR400 riding through Castrol and trying to mimic what he was doing. He set his riding position early in the turn and carved a perfect line right through the exit. The whole way through I was think, ok, now turn - ok now - are you going to turn? Expecting him to have a noticeable squaring off or something. Instead he just went through the corner smoothly and fast(ly).

On less horsepower bikes I am sure carving a perfect line is vital. I think I can learn heaps from the 125's. Probably should pretend I am back on the RG150 again for a while and get smooth again

[Drew]

There is not a "right way" to do anything on a bike. Watch Haga and Spies ride the same turn, you'd swear they were taught to ride on different planets.

It is helpfull to know something you need to work on, and get a few ideas for it from others. I dunno if KB is the right medium for that, but here we are so make the best of it.

[Drew]

Thanks that is helpful. I don't think I will ever forget seeing Keith on his GSXR400 riding through Castrol and trying to mimic what he was doing. He set his riding position early in the turn and carved a perfect line right through the exit. The whole way through I was think, ok, now turn - ok now - are you going to turn? Expecting him to have a noticeable squaring off or something. Instead he just went through the corner smoothly and fast(ly).

On less horsepower bikes I am sure carving a perfect line is vital. I think I can learn heaps from the 125's. Probably should pretend I am back on the RG150 again for a while and get smooth again

Hang on a mo here mate, there is a flaw in your plan. Your SV1000 is pretty much incapable of taking a turn smooth and fast. It's not how the bike works, nor is it going to be anywhere near as fast as squaring corners off.

Mid corner speed is very hard and dangerous to increase, (this is what James Toseland said in a recent artical), instead the most time to be made up is getting on the brakes later and still tipping in at the same point, and getting on the gas earlier without running off the track.

[javawocky]

Your SV1000 is pretty much incapable of taking a turn smooth and fast...

So you are suggesting a point and shoot approach with the SV? I suppose this is where I go off and do a few more track days to get more experence trying both techniques...

[Drew]

So you are suggesting a point and shoot approach with the SV? I suppose this is where I go off and do a few more track days to get more experence trying both techniques...

That's the ticket man. The SV being as spongy as they are, means they get upset easily. Approaching a corner with a bit more venom, diving in and squirting out is just how it'll best respond.

[Peter Smith]

I always stand up unless I'm taking a dump too, or if I'm drunk as fuck.

Your always full of good advice grasshopper.

[Tink]

Just had a great ART day at Pukie - Love the flowing nature and speed.

Anyway, I have a technical question. After watching California super-bike school vids of the interwebs, I discovered the stand up technique of pulling the inside bar when exiting a corner to stand it up when coming onto the gas. Fells good and gives me a sense of security that I am less likely to high side it.

Keith, one of our instructors in group 2, helped me out heaps to get smoother and faster on the day (good on ya!) but he mentioned that I didn't need to stand her up out of Castrol corner. Although I followed his advice it raised the question:

1) When should the stand up technique be used? What type of corners etc.
2) What advantage does it give?

I look forward to your varied and opinionated responses

Not reading further in this thread.. keith has a lot of knowledge.. I would contact him if you need more.. 100%.

[Drew]

Not reading further in this thread.. keith has a lot of knowledge.. I would contact him if you need more.. 100%.

I think the thread starter was after some different perspective on the subject. We all ride differently and what works for some might not for others.

[scracha]

Mid corner speed is very hard and dangerous to increase, (this is what James Toseland said in a recent artical), instead the most time to be made up is getting on the brakes later and still tipping in at the same point, and getting on the gas earlier without running off the track.

Necessary on underpowered bikes like RGV250's though

So you are suggesting a point and shoot approach with the SV?

Totally mate. 125's, 400's and suchlike you have to carve high corner speed lines. The big stuff is much more "brake as late as you can, turn it as hard as you can, get on the gas as early as possible". On a track-day you'll see the high corner speed hero's with pegs and $hit scraping but they're usually not lapping anything near as quick as the real fast guys who are cranked over for only the briefest of moments.

Now if I just had the skill to put that theory into practise :-)

[javawocky]

I think the thread starter was after some different perspective on the subject. We all ride differently and what works for some might not for others.

Yep, got exactly what I am after - KB never disappoints

Necessary on underpowered bikes like RGV250's though


Totally mate. 125's, 400's and suchlike you have to carve high corner speed lines. The big stuff is much more "brake as late as you can, turn it as hard as you can, get on the gas as early as possible". On a track-day you'll see the high corner speed hero's with pegs and $hit scraping but they're usually not lapping anything near as quick as the real fast guys who are cranked over for only the briefest of moments.

Now if I just had the skill to put that theory into practise :-)

As fun as it must be to scrap everything around the corners I would far rather I leaned over than the bike. Saw a guy on a VFR going over the hill with huge lean angle but he was sitting bolt upright (I think my profile picture was taken before coming over the hill )

With my virgin knee sliders I am most happy turning the bike quickly and kissing the mirror - so to speak - on the way out. I suppose that will define my style until I get more confident tilting her over.

[Drew]

(I think my profile picture was taken before coming over the hill )
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Are we talking about Taupo here? If so coming up onto the top of turn four there is quite a unique corner. It was explained to me my first time there, to pitch in and have my knee down before top. This allows you to stand it up on the way over the crest reducing the likelyhood of a high side, (quite common there).

After a few times round though I found my own way instead when my K2 thou did it's damnedest to get me off with that approach. But my way takes a very different line right from the exit of turn one, than anyone I've raced with.