How Many Bikers Smoke?

[zooter]

I don't smoke
I don't smoke
I don't smoke
I don't smoke
I don't smoke
I don't smoke
I don't smoke
I don't smoke
I don't smoke
I don't smoke
I don't smoke

If I say it enough times I'll begin believing it.
3 nearly 4 weeks without, save for the odd relapse when drinking beer or wine.

Biff, you are in a particularly difficult position. Every time you smoke one your nicotine level goes back to that of a smoker. You start quitting from scratch every time you have one. Read Allan Carr's book and be free. Here's a little of what he will prove to you:
Quitting is easy.
It takes no willpower.
Substitutes make it more difficult to quit.

How can a substance (nicotine) on the one hand help concentration and on the other hand help you to relax? How can it relieve both boredom and stress? The truth is that it does none of these things. These are myths generated in smokers minds by the subtlety of the nicotine addiction aided by the brainwashing we receive from a society that has accepted the myths as facts.

It takes Allen Carr a whole book to prove his case but he does a very good job of it. Highly recommended reading.

[zooter]

You are dead right - you have to want to stop. I went from 200/week to nothing about 18 years ago - cold turkey, no patches, lollies or other crutches other than the desire to stop suffering chronic bronchitis for 3 months every year.

Well done that man. But you're misguided about your ideas on smokers. EVERY smoker wishes he never started. No smoker recommends his kids get hooked on nicotine. No smoker will give Alllen Carr a year's tobacco money upfront so he can make good his pledge to supply them with free tobacco for the rest of their life. Think about it, you'd be 2 grand up after three years.

Every smoker wishes to no longer be a smoker but either can't face the mythical withdrawal pangs ( actually the anguish of wanting something and not being allowed it ) or kids himself he is better off leaving it to the right time to quit, which never comes.

Poor bastards. Nobody told them they would be hooked from the 2nd cigarette.

[zooter]

Yes, I smoke,
yes, I know its bad for you
yes, I know its pointless

Most of my friends smoke, I guess its a sort of an indirect peer pressure thing.
We all started at the same time.

There is only one reason anybody smokes, to get the nicotine. All the cultural stuff is just a "smokescreen". You wouldn't copy your friends in any other dead end pursuit with no benefits to anyone whatsoever. Obviously you haven't put a lot of thought into it yet.

[zooter]

It's only a stress thing for me. Calms me down internaly so I can relax and think through problems without getting overly frustrated. My bike does this most of the time but when it's not running... Will be quiting again now though.

Read Allen Carrs book before you quit and you'll take back everything you wrote above! You might believe smoking helps stress but you have been conned. Same as every other smoker on the planet. It's a world wide conspiracy which is only just starting to unravel.

[zooter]

i said if i gave up smoking i would buy myself a bigger better bike than the gpx250 i had at the time.

i'm loving the cbr. it's totally worth it.

Beware, you haven't addressed the reason you smoked, at any time you could be hooked again just by smoking one cigarette, then another after a small interval when you feel it appropriate but you don't feel hooked, then before you know it there's 20 appropriate times a day ... how did that happen? Nicotine addiction. Read Allen Carrs book and be guaranteed never to smoke again.

There is actually danger in relying on rewards. The reward has no relation to the reasons for smoking. It does nothing to diminish the feeling of giving up the nicotine.

For a biker attempting to quit on the promise of shouting himself a new bike, the reward of the bike may not compensate for the misery of "giving up" the cigarettes. Logically he was right to prioritise a new bike over the cigs but under the stress of "giving up" the priorities are apt to change. 'Life is miserable without cigs', a new bike is still miles off anyway, 'I'll just have one to help me over this rough patch'.... 'I'll quit in time to get a new bike next summer'... still a smoker.
The only incentive you should need is to be free of having to smoke. Anything else is window dressing.

The trick is not wanting to smoke for the right reason, there is actually nothing to give up, just a pesky desire to top up the nicotine level in the blood and feel normal. Read Allen Carrs book!

[Waylander]

Read Allen Carrs book before you quit and you'll take back everything you wrote above! You might believe smoking helps stress but you have been conned. Same as every other smoker on the planet. It's a world wide conspiracy which is only just starting to unravel.

If you mean by ad campaigns and such from big tobaco and what not then you're wrong. Atleast for me. Never really bought intoall that. What I posted is just what I experiance. It may not be anything in the cigarettes that make me relax, just a phsycological crutch, but it works. Anyway my bike somewhat works now so the last pack is gone. This time I hope for a long, long time.

[zooter]

If you mean by ad campaigns and such from big tobaco and what not then you're wrong. Atleast for me. Never really bought intoall that. What I posted is just what I experiance. It may not be anything in the cigarettes that make me relax, just a phsycological crutch, but it works. Anyway my bike somewhat works now so the last pack is gone. This time I hope for a long, long time.

Congratulations
My comments still stand. Phsycological crutch it may appear to be but if you read Mr Carrs book you will understand how you came to believe that and be free of the temptation to ever smoke again.

[chickenfunkstar]

There is only one reason anybody smokes, to get the nicotine. All the cultural stuff is just a "smokescreen". You wouldn't copy your friends in any other dead end pursuit with no benefits to anyone whatsoever. Obviously you haven't put a lot of thought into it yet.

Obviously not...

[zooter]

Obviously not...

So what's the worst that could happen if you decided to smoke your last cigarette?
Once you have the correct mental framework the nicotine withdrawl is ridiculously easy to cope with. That's why everyone believes it is necessary to have to "want to give up". This is like saying you have to want to get on a bus to get on a bus. Getting rid of the idea that there is anything to give up makes it a nondecision. This is what Allen Carrs book does. Best $28 you'll ever spend in your life.

[k14]

leave us alone we pay shit loads of tax.
smoking is a art form.
smokers dont live so long witch is a good thing if you live past 70 you start costing more health bills etc.
plus lets take away the 600 mil the goverment earns each year and see what happens , ps the goverment deep down dose not want us to give up


and if no one smoked you would have nothing to bitch about .

Yeah thats right, but how much of the 600 mil goes into the healthcare for the smoking related illinesses??

I hate people smoking anywhere near i am, but if they want to stuff their lifes up then thats their choice. Anyway how many f1/motogp etc teams are sponsored by ciggy companies?? Good way to spend the money in my mind.

[zooter]

Yeah thats right, but how much of the 600 mil goes into the healthcare for the smoking related illinesses??

I hate people smoking anywhere near i am, but if they want to stuff their lifes up then thats their choice. Anyway how many f1/motogp etc teams are sponsored by ciggy companies?? Good way to spend the money in my mind.

Choice has nothing to do with it. Nobody chooses to become a smoker. Nicotine addiction is the only reason people inhale the toxic fumes. The fear and suffering of "giving up" is all that keeps them going. Choice doesn't come into it.

[jaybee]

I gave up 5 days ago after smoking for 20 years

I read the book by Allen Carr called "The easyway to stop smoking" It works ok as long as you want to give up.


"Does your wife smoke after sex.... ????"
" eehh, ... No, but she does sweat a lot ...!"

dito read the same book works well but yeah gotta stil put ya mind to it however 2 weeks now !!!!

[oldrider]

I don't, my choice. If you do, your choice, enjoy, with my blessing.
please don't make your choice mine.
Stuff Helen Clark and her smoke/anti freedom/Nazis but I have to admit I enjoy the result of their obsession. Damn It. John.

[TLDV8]

leave us alone we pay shit loads of tax.
smoking is a art form.
smokers dont live so long witch is a good thing if you live past 70 you start costing more health bills etc.
plus lets take away the 600 mil the goverment earns each year and see what happens , ps the goverment deep down dose not want us to give up


and if no one smoked you would have nothing to bitch about .

I think it is more like 800 million in cigarette tax as reported in the Herald...
i gave up around 2 1/2 years ago...i still remember Greys at 30c ,Black and White... Mmmm a smoke and coffee

[TLDV8]

Well done that man. But you're misguided about your ideas on smokers. EVERY smoker wishes he never started. No smoker recommends his kids get hooked on nicotine. No smoker will give Alllen Carr a year's tobacco money upfront so he can make good his pledge to supply them with free tobacco for the rest of their life. Think about it, you'd be 2 grand up after three years.

Every smoker wishes to no longer be a smoker but either can't face the mythical withdrawal pangs ( actually the anguish of wanting something and not being allowed it ) or kids himself he is better off leaving it to the right time to quit, which never comes.

Poor bastards. Nobody told them they would be hooked from the 2nd cigarette.

I take it you are a X smoker ?..actually you can't be with the contridiction "No smoker recommends his kids get hooked on nicotine" .... "Every smoker wishes to no longer be a smoker but either can't face the mythical withdrawal pangs ( actually the anguish of wanting something and not being allowed it )"