What is a Man? Points to ponder...

**Headbanger** · 6th May 2010, 10:55

Originally Posted by Edbear

Man is dropping civilised behavour and look where it is taking the world?

Mankind has never been civilised. Your the self-proclaimed history expert, Look at what's been going on in the last decade, 70 years, 150 years, 2000 years....50 000 years.

What we are is an affront to nature, and a detriment to all the other animal species of the world.

**Edbear** · 6th May 2010, 11:11

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Indeed, that is your view.

On the other hand we could find a society that considered it Taboo to stay with the family after sowing their seed,and their position would be every bit as worthy as yours. Untill they decided that it was upto them to judge the rest of the world based on their personal views.

You know of one do you?

As I said, my post in the main is based upon observation and study. It is relatively simple to work out what is right or wrong. Right works, wrong doesn't and it doesn't matter what your personal beliefs or preferences are.

I doubt you would get any other than some selfish men to agree that neglecting a father's responsibility is in any way worthy of anything but derision.

As I also said, many men think with their dicks and having irresponsible sex without regard to the consequences is being far lower than an animal.

**Headbanger** · 6th May 2010, 11:17

Originally Posted by Edbear

As I said, my post in the main is based upon observation and study. It is relatively simple to work out what is right or wrong. Right works, wrong doesn't and it doesn't matter what your personal beliefs or preferences are.

And that is your folly. There is no right or wrong. You are simply trying to apply your small personal beliefs onto something that has no concept of them and to which they can never apply. The bigger picture is so big that your small views don't even register, and trying to say they over-ride everything to the point of defining what a man is......

............well, I have already used the word folly.

**Edbear** · 6th May 2010, 11:19

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Mankind has never been civilised. Your the self-proclaimed history expert, Look at what's been going on in the last decade, 70 years, 150 years, 2000 years....50 000 years.

What we are is an affront to nature, and a detriment to all the other animal species of the world.

With some notable and albeit short-lived exceptions, I agree with this post. It is such that the more power Man has developed the more rapidly he is destroying his environment and the rate of species extinction is genuinely alarming the scientists.

However it is also true of Man that he has the attributes of love, kindness, altruism and a desire to make the world a nice place to live. Therein lies the conundrum does it not?

**Edbear** · 6th May 2010, 11:24

Originally Posted by Headbanger

And that is your folly. There is no right or wrong. You are simply trying to apply your small personal beliefs onto something that has no concept of them and to which they can never apply. The bigger picture is so big that your small views don't even register, and trying to say they over-ride everything to the point of defining what a man is......

............well, I have already used the word folly.

You miss the point completly in playing the man not the ball. It doesn't matter who you are, right works, wrong doesn't. That is true of any area of life, from recipes for cooking to mechanics, to physics, and so on.

Anyone who claims there is no right or wrong, is simply avoiding facing the issues, and invariably, especially on KB, is referring to morals alone.

**Headbanger** · 6th May 2010, 11:29

Originally Posted by Edbear

You miss the point completly in playing the man not the ball. It doesn't matter who you are, right works, wrong doesn't. That is true of any area of life, from recipes for cooking to mechanics, to physics, and so on.

Anyone who claims there is no right or wrong, is simply avoiding facing the issues, and invariably, especially on KB, is referring to morals alone.

Nope, You missed my point.

What is right or wrong is decided by evolution and is apparent in the continuation of the species, not on how people judge individuals actions.

I'm not "playing the man" but the concept.

**Edbear** · 6th May 2010, 11:48

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Nope, You missed my point.

What is right or wrong is decided by evolution and is apparent in the continuation of the species, not on how people judge individuals actions.

I'm not "playing the man" but the concept.

I contend that Man is not subject to evolution. He is master of his own destiny and can either save or destroy himself at his own will. While we may all grow old reproduce and die, the ultimate truth is that it is not evolution at play here, it is man's greed and avarice and it is solely his choice as to whether he survives as a species or destroys himself and this planet.

Therefore, "right" is to exercise his rulership for the good of the planet and all life on it, "wrong" is to proceed as he is and destroy the planet and himself. What is the difference? Selfishness and discontent, or love and altruism, placing need before greed, or vice versa.

**Headbanger** · 6th May 2010, 11:50

Originally Posted by Edbear

I contend that Man is not subject to evolution.

Swish.

I disagree but I'll leave it at that.

**Edbear** · 6th May 2010, 11:51

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Swish.

I disagree but I'll leave it at that.

For the reasons given in the rest of the post...

**Headbanger** · 6th May 2010, 11:57

Originally Posted by Edbear

For the reasons given in the rest of the post...

If we destroy our food sources (seriously we cant destroy the planet anymore then we can destroy the universe) and die off and other species grow and prosper in the new conditions, then that is evolution at work. Everything is a cycle.

No living creature on earth can escape it, its simply a matter of what can deal best with new conditions. The conditions will never stop changing and different species will always have different capabilities.

**Foxzee** · 6th May 2010, 12:00

Geeepurrs....and they say women can bitch......

**Edbear** · 6th May 2010, 12:42

Originally Posted by Headbanger

If we destroy our food sources (seriously we cant destroy the planet anymore then we can destroy the universe) and die off and other species grow and prosper in the new conditions, then that is evolution at work. Everything is a cycle.

No living creature on earth can escape it, its simply a matter of what can deal best with new conditions. The conditions will never stop changing and different species will always have different capabilities.

My point is that it doesn't have to be that way. Animals have no control over their fate, Man does. (if we ignore the asteroid scenario for a minute). So it's not evolution, it is choice. Evolution syas it's going to happen no matter what. Man can change "evolution".