What is a Man? Points to ponder...

[mashman]

Do you think before you post? Animals have no choice, they cannot train themselves beyond very limited tasks, most of which are known as "animal instinct". Animals do not ignore their basic intsincts. Try your reasoning with a Zoologist and see how far you get.

lmao... I used to think i did... Of course animals have a choice and can train themselves... they exercise their options often and it's not ALL instinct... problem solving is massive in the animal kingdom... There are examples of this across nearly all species, animals that "specialise"... they mimic what they see in their environment and copy it i.e. train themselves... what else would you call it?

[CookMySock]

"A man is a person who is strong enough to let himself be vulnerable. Someone who defines himself rather than let other's dictate who he should be. Someone not afraid to champion those who cannot champion themselves. Someone who expresses fear and uncertainty knowing the definition of bravery is feeling scared and doing it anyway. "

It's really tough being in a place like that. Others will often cut him down due to his apparrant lack of concern for their feelings while he takes his innovative approach to the problem while they act out their own feelings. 50-90% of the job at hand now becomes managing everyones feelings as they perceive the situation untenable. Of course it works out in the end but it doesn't feel too flash at the time.

I have met few "real" men in my life, but that might be mostly because of my age. But when you do meet one, they take you by suprise, and stand out from crowd. Honest, strong, courageous, gracious, loyal, a good leader, also willing to be lead, a strong heart that is still allowed to be filled with emotion. To me, that's a real man, and one that is quite hard to come by. As a women, I am soft, and not a leader (talking about myself personally) - and to meet a man that could have that strength to love and lead with, would win much respect from me.

The main difficulty they face, again, is the negative response to their innovative approach. Society desires innovators yet cannot reconcile their negative feelings against them, as they take the moral high road, the difficult but effective way, or the unpopular way.

What actions must he take for people put their fears aside and trust him? What level of responsibility must he take on for him to redeem himself?

I feel he is somewhat doomed - jammed in the role of disaster recovery rather than planning for the future. Society is too preoccupied with it's next consequence to trust a leader, and there isn't really a leader available who is more focussed on a positive outcome than the political fallout of an unpopular decision, so it is up to you, or is that "us".

Steve

[Gone Burger]

It's really tough being in a place like that. Others will often cut him down due to his apparrant lack of concern for their feelings while he takes his innovative approach to the problem while they act out their own feelings. 50-90% of the job at hand now becomes managing everyones feelings as they perceive the situation untenable. Of course it works out in the end but it doesn't feel too flash at the time.

The main difficulty they face, again, is the negative response to their innovative approach. Society desires innovators yet cannot reconcile their negative feelings against them, as they take the moral high road, the difficult but effective way, or the unpopular way.

What actions must he take for people put their fears aside and trust him? What level of responsibility must he take on for him to redeem himself?

I feel he is somewhat doomed - jammed in the role of disaster recovery rather than planning for the future. Society is too preoccupied with it's next consequence to trust a leader, and there isn't really a leader available who is more focussed on a positive outcome than the political fallout of an unpopular decision, so it is up to you, or is that "us".

Steve

Very true - it is no easy place to be, because of how society judges so easily. In that case, it takes incredible strength to be who they want to be, despite the reactions or opinions of others. I work in a "mans world". My industry is full of men, actually, most of them still boys afraid to be the man they know they can be. As a result, they are unkind, harsh, unfair to me as a women, and I would most certainly say they are not strong. They are all so worried about what the other men expects of them, that they continue to be who everyone else wants them to be. And they are (mostly, generalising here) rather unhappy, and unable to treat a women with any respect. The result of this means that I have little respect for them too.

So, I wait, to meet that man that is strong enough to be who he wants to be, who he feels he needs to be, who has respect for himself as a man...

[Edbear]

lmao... I used to think i did... Of course animals have a choice and can train themselves... they exercise their options often and it's not ALL instinct... problem solving is massive in the animal kingdom... There are examples of this across nearly all species, animals that "specialise"... they mimic what they see in their environment and copy it i.e. train themselves... what else would you call it?

Have you ever heard the expression, "If dogs had reason, men would live in trees!"? Think about it..

It's really tough being in a place like that. Others will often cut him down due to his apparrant lack of concern for their feelings while he takes his innovative approach to the problem while they act out their own feelings. 50-90% of the job at hand now becomes managing everyones feelings as they perceive the situation untenable. Of course it works out in the end but it doesn't feel too flash at the time.

The main difficulty they face, again, is the negative response to their innovative approach. Society desires innovators yet cannot reconcile their negative feelings against them, as they take the moral high road, the difficult but effective way, or the unpopular way.

What actions must he take for people put their fears aside and trust him? What level of responsibility must he take on for him to redeem himself?

I feel he is somewhat doomed - jammed in the role of disaster recovery rather than planning for the future. Society is too preoccupied with it's next consequence to trust a leader, and there isn't really a leader available who is more focussed on a positive outcome than the political fallout of an unpopular decision, so it is up to you, or is that "us".

Steve

You're getting warm... Have a think about what you just wrote...

Very true - it is no easy place to be, because of how society judges so easily. In that case, it takes incredible strength to be who they want to be, despite the reactions or opinions of others. I work in a "mans world". My industry is full of men, actually, most of them still boys afraid to be the man they know they can be. As a result, they are unkind, harsh, unfair to me as a women, and I would most certainly say they are not strong. They are all so worried about what the other men expects of them, that they continue to be who everyone else wants them to be. And they are (mostly, generalising here) rather unhappy, and unable to treat a women with any respect. The result of this means that I have little respect for them too.

So, I wait, to meet that man that is strong enough to be who he wants to be, who he feels he needs to be, who has respect for himself as a man...

Sorry, I can't bling you twice in a row...

[mashman]

Have you ever heard the expression, "If dogs had reason, men would live in trees!"? Think about it..

How's about plain english Ed... one doesn't do riddles, apparantly i'm barely thinking ... I've never heard or that expression... but... if dogs could reason we would need to live up trees as they'd try to eat us? Is that what you mean?

Have you ever heard of the expression: "You can't lead a Horse to water"...

[CookMySock]

So, I wait, to meet that man that is strong enough to be who he wants to be, who he feels he needs to be, who has respect for himself as a man...

Thats a tall order. Many men who have been strong enough to stand up for what they believe have had much of their self respect trampled - certainly at least their self esteem and their happiness. Perhaps if you find a young one who hasn't been hurt - he'll build you a rocket and take you to the moon, or more!

You're getting warm... Have a think about what you just wrote...

You're having a cryptic day aren't you. No, you lost me I'm afraid. Will re-read.

Steve

[Headbanger]

How's about plain english Ed... one doesn't do riddles, apparantly i'm barely thinking ... I've never heard or that expression... but... if dogs could reason we would need to live up trees as they'd try to eat us? Is that what you mean?

Have you ever heard of the expression: "You can't lead a Horse to water"...

I reckon he made it up on the spot, Even the internet has never heard of it.

http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en...k&ved=0CAUQgwM

[Headbanger]

Very true - it is no easy place to be, because of how society judges so easily. In that case, it takes incredible strength to be who they want to be, despite the reactions or opinions of others. I work in a "mans world". My industry is full of men, actually, most of them still boys afraid to be the man they know they can be. As a result, they are unkind, harsh, unfair to me as a women, and I would most certainly say they are not strong. They are all so worried about what the other men expects of them, that they continue to be who everyone else wants them to be. And they are (mostly, generalising here) rather unhappy, and unable to treat a women with any respect. The result of this means that I have little respect for them too.

So, I wait, to meet that man that is strong enough to be who he wants to be, who he feels he needs to be, who has respect for himself as a man...

Have you considered carpet munching?

[huff3r]

Thats a tall order. Many men who have been strong enough to stand up for what they believe have had much of their self respect trampled - certainly at least their self esteem and their happiness. Perhaps if you find a young one who hasn't been hurt - he'll build you a rocket and take you to the moon, or more!


Steve

Yup, they crush us again and again and again till we got no spirit left!! But its easy enough to ignore them, just makes you seem arrogant as you are forced to take the moral high ground..

[Gone Burger]

Have you considered carpet munching?

Haha nope - never will!! Women can be bloody dreadful (I said CAN be ladies) - I should know - I'm one of them.

I'm happy to wait. Have compromised too much in the past for some people, and am more than happy to wait.

[CookMySock]

But its easy enough to ignore them, just makes you seem arrogant as you are forced to take the moral high ground..

Ignoring them is the easy part. It gets harder when they start converting the weak-willed to their crusade against you.

Steve

[Edbear]

How's about plain english Ed... one doesn't do riddles, apparantly i'm barely thinking ... I've never heard or that expression... but... if dogs could reason we would need to live up trees as they'd try to eat us? Is that what you mean?

Have you ever heard of the expression: "You can't lead a Horse to water"...

I think you mean the expression, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"...

The expression about dogs is older than I am and I'm sure most older one's here would have heard of it years ago. It's meaning is that no matter how intelligent, or "instinctively wise" as some biologists refer to animal cleverness, no animal can or ever will be able to conquer Man and dominate in his place. The simple and acknowledged fact is that Mankind posesses a brain of unlimited capacity and something far above animals, his power of thought and reason.

As I said, you can choose to be an animal, an animal cannot choose to be human or take over the planet. No animal could or would ever destroy itself or the planet, only Man has the capacity to so that.

You're having a cryptic day aren't you. No, you lost me I'm afraid. Will re-read.

Steve

Someone very close to you may like to decrypt it for you...

I reckon he made it up on the spot, Even the internet has never heard of it.

http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en...k&ved=0CAUQgwM

LOL!!! The Internet wasn't born when that was stated. Many if not most older one's here should be familiar with it.

Haha nope - never will!! Women can be bloody dreadful (I said CAN be ladies) - I should know - I'm one of them.

I'm happy to wait. Have compromised too much in the past for some people, and am more than happy to wait.

Look! I cannot bling you three times in a row! You're being far too sensible here!

[Genie]

Which ever way one looks at your original post...you can't escape the fact that we're all mad!

Each and every one of us, man and woman, we're all wired differently and have different prospectives of the world and where we 'fit'.

Best to be mad and not look too deep for in looking too deep, one would see just how 'ugly' man really is

[Headbanger]

Mad, petty, and with massive flaws.

All of us.


Moooooooo

[Edbear]

Which ever way one looks at your original post...you can't escape the fact that we're all mad!

Each and every one of us, man and woman, we're all wired differently and have different prospectives of the world and where we 'fit'.

Best to be mad and not look too deep for in looking too deep, one would see just how 'ugly' man really is

Hey, I've just gotta look in the mirror!

But you're qwite right, we're all mad and as I say, "Why be normal, and what is 'normal' anyway?

However, I also agree, there is an ugly side to this world despite so much beauty in both nature and humankind. Some hard questions are often avoided due to one being of the view that it is all out of our control.

My OP was intended to show the other side of Mankind, the potential and the innate desires in everyone. Everyone's secret dream is for that inherent power, that inherent love and that inherent ability to come to the fore.