MotoGP - foot off the peg?

[Skunk]

Rossi's been doing this a while now. He was the first, but a lot of the field has taken to copying him.

Watch the 92 GP and you'll see at least two riders doing it. Rossi is far from the first...

[Sentox]

Watch the 92 GP and you'll see at least two riders doing it. Rossi is far from the first...

Well, I was thinking of the current MotoGP field. Rossi was doing minimoto or something of the sort back in '92, wasn't he? Heck, I was still mastering basic grammar Interesting to know though.

[JayRacer37]

they do it to help stabilize the bike when braking extremely hard i.e it helps reduce the hard entry "fishtailing in" of the bike

I cant wait to see people doing it in NZ, and they will Im sure, then all the sportsbike racers (WAAAHH WAAAAH motards use different lines they stick their feet out brigade of morons )can bitch and moan about feet out techniques which essentially banned Motards from F3 in the VMCC series this year, but of course they wont

Maybe, but if you look at this video around the 1:25 mark, you can see Lorenzo's knee out versus Rossi's dangling leg. If the purpose is to block, the leg doesn't look much more effective than the knee.

Have a look at that vid around the 3.15 min mark. When Rossi hangs his leg out and it brushes the ground, it looks a whole lot less stable than Lorenzo's bike. Its funny, the only guy in the upper echelon (Rossi, Stoner, Pedrosa, Lorenzo) who hasn't tried coping him is Lorenzo - he is also the only guy who has really challenged him yet.

I think the blocking argument is possibly likely - I also agree that you would ride through a leg pretty easy. He also hangs either leg off, if the braking zone is right. I notice he only does it when its a long, straight braking zone - he hangs it further when there is bumps (turn one at Jerez). The guys emulating him seem to do it more often - Stoner was at Jerez and looked unstable when he did it through the stadium section.

Mostly, I reckon he does it cos it feels good to him - and people copy him 'cos if he does it, it must be good - as he is 'god'. Using that argument, I think Lorezo is the only guy at the top now who has a chance to beat him. The rest are already beaten as they are trying to copy, not to exceed.

Jay

[Mental Trousers]

It's all about the outside leg.

The inside leg doesn't actually do as much as you'd think. It does get weight to the inside of the bike which is good, but the inside foot peg is nowhere near as effective as the outside knee for making a bike turn. So taking the foot right off the peg puts

1. the weight of the inside leg further out from the bike
2. the weight being put through the bike is going through the outside leg meaning more grip
3. the outside leg is glued to the side of the bike so the rider has far more control

Taking the foot off the inside peg forces the outside leg to do what it should.

[Shaun]

It's all about the outside leg.

The inside leg doesn't actually do as much as you'd think. It does get weight to the inside of the bike which is good, but the inside foot peg is nowhere near as effective as the outside knee for making a bike turn. So taking the foot right off the peg puts

1. the weight of the inside leg further out from the bike
2. the weight being put through the bike is going through the outside leg meaning more grip
3. the outside leg is glued to the side of the bike so the rider has far more control

Taking the foot off the inside peg forces the outside leg to do what it should.

Interesting opinion mate

Go take a ride, and weight the left peg to turn left, then weight the right peg to turn right
so we agree what both legs are doing on the bike in Normall riding form

Most very fast riders, actually stear the bike with there legs, NOT THE BARS

So taking your left/inside leg of to make a left hand corner, FORCES the weight to the other outside leg to make it do what is supposed to do ( Your Words not mine) Now makes you go Right insted of left? YES, if you made the turn, you will have better side grip by having more pressure put on the bikes suspension this way.

Because I like you, I will give you some free riding lessons to keep the road statistics lower Ha ha Sorry dude

[Mental Trousers]

Sorry to disagree with you there mate, but taking your foot off the inside peg DOES put your weight through the outside leg, but your entire body weight is off to 1 side making your knee pull the bike over.

Length of the lever: how far off the ground is the footpeg? How far off the ground is the place your knee is pressing against the tank? Which one do you reckon is going to win out? The one about half a meter off the ground or the one about 1.2m off the ground? Remember, they've both got your entire body weight acting on them.

I went out and purposely messed around on a bike to try and figure out why Rossi etc were doing that and that's what I found.

[quickbuck]

The rest are already beaten as they are trying to copy, not to exceed.

Jay

You got it Jay.

[Shaun]

Sorry to disagree with you there mate, but taking your foot off the inside peg DOES put your weight through the outside leg, but your entire body weight is off to 1 side making your knee pull the bike over.

Length of the lever: how far off the ground is the footpeg? How far off the ground is the place your knee is pressing against the tank? Which one do you reckon is going to win out? The one about half a meter off the ground or the one about 1.2m off the ground? Remember, they've both got your entire body weight acting on them.

I went out and purposely messed around on a bike to try and figure out why Rossi etc were doing that and that's what I found.

To QUOTE YA

Sorry to disagree with you there mate, but taking your foot off the inside peg DOES put your weight through the outside leg, but your entire body weight is off to 1 side making your knee pull the bike over

NO Drama man

If taking a left turn, with inside off peg, YES! this will load the right more
The rider has moved his body weight to the inside of the bike to make the turn , so this will place a higher load of weight to the inside YES!

RE the knee now

If the riders weight being on the inside with the leg of the peg is all about as you say? you do now have more power with your knee to change direction, but less control, as both feet are not working the pegs, staering the bike etc.

If it is a game from MR ROSSI, it is a very very cleaver one, due to weight transfer and Gyroscopics, his dangling of the leg, allows him to go in harder, as he can move weight backwards and forwards to weight or un weight the front or rear end

It is like, lowering or raising a rear sub frame, to ade weight transfer to the rider

Take a look at A Stroud bike some time closely, he is the only one in NZ that is even close to this set up\

PS, messing about on the road, is not quite the same as real race practise.

[Mental Trousers]

If the riders weight being on the inside with the leg of the peg is all about as you say? you do now have more power with your knee to change direction, but less control, as both feet are not working the pegs, staering the bike etc.

Yup, exactly. Can't say I'm real keen on actually taking a foot off when actually riding rather than messing around, precisely for the reason it feels like I've got less control (I've had the feet on pegs = control thing drummed into me)

If it is a game from MR ROSSI, it is a very very cleaver one, due to weight transfer and Gyroscopics, his dangling of the leg, allows him to go in harder, as he can move weight backwards and forwards to weight or un weight the front or rear end

It is like, lowering or raising a rear sub frame, to ade weight transfer to the rider

Take a look at A Stroud bike some time closely, he is the only one in NZ that is even close to this set up\

Hadn't thought of it quite like that. Nice.

PS, messing about on the road, is not quite the same as real race practise.

Works very well on the track as well. Although I've only been using this theory for about 4 track days. However, it only took a couple of minutes experimenting to show it's way better than what I was doing.

EDIT What I wrote might sound confusing. I'm not taking my inside foot off the footpeg like Rossi etc do. Instead I'm unweighting it to get the same effect without lifting my foot off.

[scracha]

Isn't it just so shortarse riders can look taller?

[Shaun]

Isn't it just so shortarse riders can look taller?

I will have to try it some time and let you know ha ha ha


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