Would YOU allow this?

[mashman]

but, there will be a point when kiwi's will stand together and purge NZ of this pond scum.

to quote the little Ozzy off of the M10 ad... "Maaaate, yer dreamin"... society needs to change BIG TIME to spur the people of the country into that sort of action...

[CookMySock]

LOL wtf it's a fucking shirt. Some people are just useless animals. They have no idea how they feel at all.

Steve

[rustyrobot]

You know, this brings my mind to how Michael Laws for banned gang patches etc in Wanganui........ I am in favour of it (the ban), BUT, I wonder if, somehow, this prohibition could be causing the brain dead oxygen thief's to resort to this wanky "colour code" system of "flying their colours", and, inadvertently elevating this problem.

I hope not!

I also feel this will "get worse before it gets better", but, there will be a point when kiwi's will stand together and purge NZ of this pond scum.

I thought it would happen with the Kahui murders (among others)

It seems pretty clear that banning gang patches is in NO WAY going to help with the gang problem. It's sort of like the old ideas of not talking about sexual abuse. Hiding things under the carpet just makes it harder to confront them. Ban colours and something else will signify allegiances. A rolled-up trouser leg, or a certain brand of boots, or a cap worn in a particular way, or a tattoo of some sort. Knee-jerk reactionary politicing does more for politicians careers than the safety of our communities.

I don't know of any country that has effectively dealt with gang crime. I know that this incident is particularly emotive, but there are gangs of all sorts in effect here and all round the world. White supremacists, Asian triads, East european mafioso, Maori street gangs, Biker gangs. I think that ripping the t-shirt off a child is abominable, but by NO means anywhere near the worst of gang crime in New Zealand.

Have you seen the follow-up article in today's paper about Black Power saying that THEY will punish the person who threatened the kid. They don't want this attention. Newspaper coverage is bad for their drug business.

I suspect that gang behaviour and mentality is something very deep-rooted in the human psyche. I think the same behaviour is represented by corprate entities that will pursue profit at any cost, including intimidation, murder and manipulation. As long as our communal global behaviour is so drenched in hypocrisy, our actions to curb violence will come up short. The idea that we can use violence to impose what WE want on others is at the heart of gang violence, war, corporate exploitation of developing nations and the environment - and also the majority of 'justice' systems.

Not that I have any solutions, but I do believe that using vigilante violence to run whoever you don't like out of town will contribute to our social problems with violence rather than solve them.

"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." --H.L. Mencken

[SS90]

to quote the little Ozzy off of the M10 ad... "Maaaate, yer dreamin"... society needs to change BIG TIME to spur the people of the country into that sort of action...

It's MY lucid dream, and I will steer it in the direction I want.

Yea, your right, society needs to change big time to bring around that sort of combined public action (to many people are only worried about themselves, and if something does not impact their lives, then no action is taken....... I honestly do feel that it will happen at some stage though....perhaps we could speed things up by giving some big homes in "upper class" neighbourhoods to the Killer Bees, Black POwer, The Mongrol Mob (etc), for them to start up their operations, and see how fast NZ mobilises.

By NZ, I mean the Police.

[mashman]

It's MY lucid dream, and I will steer it in the direction I want.

Sounds vaguely familiar

perhaps we could speed things up by giving some big homes in "upper class" neighbourhoods to the Killer Bees, Black POwer, The Mongrol Mob (etc), for them to start up their operations, and see how fast NZ mobilises.

you mean put the "gang" criminals in with the "professional" criminals? sounds like a recipe for disaster to me

By NZ, I mean the Police.

By NZ i mean the people ... the police can't do everything...

[oldrider]

his own gang will sort him out, for bringing their activities into public disgrace. i often wonder when walking round north waikato if my blue shirts or red shirts are going to get me killed. it never happens, but hell the grubbermints gotta start doing something.

True but historically it goes like this.

The grubberment already did something about 100 years or more ago, they formed and commissioned a "police force" and empowered them to act to protect the community!

Subsequent gubberments have gradually disempowered, disenfranchised and humiliated them in favour of promoting the gangs and "their" rights to intimidate the community instead!

[Quasievil]

Fuck how would ya feel working at the Whakatane Warehouse??

Whakatane just needs to have a red T shirt day to celebrate freedom and democracy or perhaps something a little more controversial

[toycollector10]

Nothings going to change. We're a nation of bleating sheep. Something similarly disgusting will happen next week and by June it will be forgotten. Just like the tagging problem in this country, there's no political will to fix this. The offender should be prosecuted for assault and have the book thrown at him. But, I doubt the police are even going to follow up on this.

[Jonathan]

Judging from what I read in this morning's paper, that dude is going to get a serious hiding from his own gang when they find him.

[raftn]

Wat a brave man taking on a four year old! Fucking dickhead........

[nudemetalz]

Judging from what I read in this morning's paper, that dude is going to get a serious hiding from his own gang when they find him.

Yup,...the battle begins....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...-boys-attacker

"Black Power gang members have vowed to hunt down and punish a gang affiliate who attacked a preschooler in a playground because he wore a red shirt.

The abuse of the four-year-old, as his father's back was turned, is the latest of several violent gang "colours" incidents. It has sparked outrage within gang circles and from the police minister.

The little boy was screamed at, prodded, then had his shirt ripped off him as he played in Whakatane's Cutler Crescent reserve about 3.30pm last Thursday.

The street is home to many blue colour-coded Black Power members. The rival Mongrel Mob's colours are red.

A patched Black Power member who lives in the street said last night: "We are not happy with this. We are keeping a watch out for the guy. If he is found we will give him a good clouting."

Police describe the man as a Maori in his 20s, wearing a blue T-shirt and with blue bandannas around his neck and wrists.

Inspector Greg Sparrow said the attacker may not be a formal member of the Black Power, but part of a "wannabe" youth group.

The attack also outraged Police Minister Judith Collins: "Anyone who attacks a four-year-old child is a gutless coward who should be ashamed of themselves."

Black Power life member Denis O'Reilly damned the attack as something beyond even hardened gangsters. "Colours are just colours. Wherever there has been an unsanctioned attack, the gangsters will send in a troubleshooter and it is sorted internally. They will usually get a bashing. This guy has brought shame to his Black's leadership."

In 2007, Christchurch chef Shyan Ricky Hill was sentenced to two years' jail for stabbing one of a group of gang youths who attacked him because of his red sweatshirt.

In 2008, Paul Shane Kumeroa, who had no gang connections, was axed to death by four Whanganui Black Power affiliates, because he was wearing a red hoodie.

Last January, a 16-year-old Bay of Plenty boy was run down and killed by Mongrel Mob members because he was wearing yellow, the colour of the rival Tribesmen gang.

Whanganui Mayor Michael Laws, whose town has a "no patches policy", called for gangs to be outlawed. "What we really want is a no-gangs policy. They are evil and require their banning by legislation."

Justice Minister Simon Power said there were already provisions in the Crimes Act covering intimidation and assault.

"We have given police expanded surveillance powers, doubled the penalty for participation in an organised criminal group from five to 10 years, made participating in a gang an aggravating factor at sentencing, and allowed local councils to seek a removal order against gang structures that are intimidating."

[Mudfart]

see told ya, his own gang will sort him out, even to them its not acceptable. he would have been on drugs and or alcohol at the time too.
i lived my first 20 yrs in aucklands north shore, no gang shit. then moved to manurewa, gang shit, but provided you drove down the road with your blinkers on and didnt LOOK at anyone you were ok.
I know it sounds fucked, but yes, you actually couldnt LOOK at anyone!.
Now i live in small rural areas outside auckland and its a pity, but there are gangsta wannabes running every small town thats not a major city.
Our culture is infested with em.

The cop that got bashed in Tuakau?. Two got bashed in Ngaruwhahia one month apart. One was king hit from behind by a youth.....

[Maha]

LOL wtf it's a fucking shirt. Some people are just useless animals. They have no idea how they feel at all.

Steve

Tis the Culture Steve.
The wider BOP has it own pockets of 'Colour' coded areas (Red or Blue)
Even in Rotorua mate....they have the Mongrel Mob at one end of town and Black Power at the other, and never the twain shall meet.
If they do, its all on for young and old.
You dont really see the gangs around like ya use to 20 years ago but they are there.
I remember watching a massive fight outside the Palace Tavern (Arawa st) one Friday night, Black Power beatin' the shit out of one and other (started by a bloke smacking his sister) the cops should have just let them go.

Palace Tavern is gone now and so has the MM's drinking place at Whaka (what was that called?)
Got pulled down, what a shame.....

[avgas]

So let me get this straight you can't wear the following:
-Red
-Blue
-Yellow

What a bunch of wankers. If I ever lose the plot - the first thing I will do is acquire one of those love LAV's the NZ Army has. Then go talk to some men about removing a fence.

Anyone got keys to a LAV?

[avgas]

Even in Rotorua mate....they have the Mongrel Mob at one end of town and Black Power at the other, and never the twain shall meet.
If they do, its all on for young and old.

Not entirely true - seems they have a bit of a Navajo trail thing I have been told.