Hardcore Biker
the labour govt established tertiarty education as a standard that all NZ citizens should acheive, they made the loans, uni entrance all easy. Labour thought they could bring in foreigners to do the manual labour work in factories etc...
Natzi party, because the scheme is a remanant of Labour, simply has to destroy any evidence that Labour ever made an improvement in NZ.
Just another example of when you vote a new party into grubbermint its 2 steps forward, 3 backwards!!.
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MBA is about $2,200 per paper.......no govt subsidyOriginally Posted by bogan
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Come warm yourself by the fire
I came back to NZ for this reason.
MBA here = NZ$30K
MBA in Aus = AU$42K
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Yeah and Nah.
To be honest it is getting really fucked thanks to the govt funding for anyone to do degree. It kinda devalues the whole structures.
My degree is now as useless as the dumbest moron that has graduated with it.
Sadly some of these morons get into management, and don't know any better.
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Forum whore
You're right. I missed one option.
K. Winston Peters for shooing most of the overseas students away and starving the universities off the much-needed cash.
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Just wait to you see what the budget has (not) for students..
IMO - Personally I think think this is great news as I'm sick of funding the majority of students who are bludging doing some useless degree. Fund your own study or do an apprenticeship or study with a firm as an intern.
There is nothing stopping students from moving to Australia and getting an SA after a stand down or better still move to China.
Forum whore
University should not be subsidised at alll. You want a degree, ask yourself why. The answer will be, it because you want a future, you don't want a minimum adult wage job at McDonalds with split shifts.
Why should my pensioner mum pay extra tax to help you through ? Why should I ?
If two lads leave the seventh form, and one says " I'll be a dentist, its a great career and I'll make shitloads" he will have 80% of his fees paid by the taxpayer, and will get an interest free student loan.
Yet he will claim the cost of training and overheads as his reason for charging the highest dental fees in the pacific.
On the other hand, the equally bright lad who says "I'll start a transport empire and make shitloads" gets to buy his own Scania Truck, with a loan from the bank. He doesnt get a cent from the taxpayer, in fact he has to pay tax, acc and gst, diesel miles and be "compliant" from the first day he opens the door.
Free education is elitist crap. Why not just pay your way ?
David must play fair with the other kids, even the idiots.
Technique obsessed
The usual justification revolves around the idea that society benefits in general: more people providing services in careers they wouldn't otherwise pursue if the (cost) barriers to entry were higher, increased education correlating to a lower likelihood of becoming involved in criminal activities, etc. Not everyone agrees, but it's the same essential justification for most things the government provides.
Irritant
It's NOT free. It's paid for by the guy with the Scania truck.
It's only when you take the piss out of a partially shaved wookie with an overactive 'me' gene and stapled on piss flaps that it becomes a problem.
Having a Zen moment...
Someone has a chip on their shoulder, methinks. I think the analogy is really that the dentist buys an expensive chair, x-ray machine and drills, and the other bloke buys a truck. Both of them may be as capable, but one is going further than the other by getting an education. Note I'm not some elitist bagging those who aren't tertiary educated, just pointing out your analogy is crap.
You and your pensioner mum should contribute to this because (take this slowly, I realise these ideas are foreign for those of a more libertarian persuasion)... you're part of the community/society, and benefit from helping those within it. It's what might be called an ethical issue, by those of us that have them.
Imagine if you will a bright young lad or ladess who comes from a poor family, so can't "pay their way". Enabling them to attain what they are capable of (done properly) improves the quality and capability of the society we all live in. Your way, the already wealthy get to be the dentists (or own trucking co's if they prefer to be less elitist), everyone else flips burgers. Behaviour by design?
Must be weird living in a world where everything is so linear and one-dimensional.
And, perhaps, the dentist, with all the tax on the money he makes charging like a wounded bull. But let's not let the facts get in the way of a (not-so-) good story.
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Hardcore Biker
terry serapesos's teeth are veneered. all the hollywood actors get it done. it is a covering that goes over your original teeth to make them permanently pearly sparkly glossy white. it enlarges your original teeth, so your lips dont quite fit your teeth anymore. thats why everyone who has had it done, cant close their lips when they smile. it almost looks like they are wincing in pain.
its quite expensive here, but you can get it in fiji, thailand, india etc for quite cheap.
Forum whore
My analogy is just fine, and you are certainly elitist as you are claiming that education makes the difference as to the benefit to society.
New Zealanders just have this bludger strip, where they think that someone else (usually called "government" or "society" so they don't have to face the fact its other peoples money) should pay for everything.
"What if I cant afford it !" they wail, thus justifying (at least to themselves), their hand in someone else's pocket.
David must play fair with the other kids, even the idiots.
Flyboy
Do you realise that in your "perfect society" there would be no low-paid educated jobs. If people have to pay a fortune to get an education they aren't going to train as a school teacher, they'll go for the highest paid job they can get so as to recover their costs as quickly as possible. So your world has no school teachers, no road-workers (they have to train too, and the engineers need degrees), no mechanics (why go to tech when Uni costs the same and you can be a lawyer).... get the picture? Thats why everyone chips in so anyone who wants to can get the education needed to get the jobs WE NEED them to do.
Yeah, nah.
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hmmm, In an ideal world those in high paid jobs wouldn't dodge taxes so would pay in a larger percentage to education that way, and charge less as they don't have huge student loans, which directly benefits the masses. But in this world there's not enough top level jobs in NZ so heaps of people just fuck off and pay tax somewhere else, and heaps more go to uni for the lols, and drop out without applying fuck all effort.
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Because having a greater proportion of educated people benefits the entire economy, not just those with degrees. Do you have one?
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