Countersteering vs body leaning?

[MSTRS:Me]

There are different ways of achieving the mechanics of it, but....
COUNTERSTEERING IS THE ONLY WAY A BIKE IS GOING TO START A TURN

[CookMySock]

There are different ways of achieving the mechanics of it, but....
COUNTERSTEERING IS THE ONLY WAY A BIKE IS GOING TO START A TURN

If you sit off the side of the bike, why do you need opposite bar pressure from preventing it initiating a turn?

(try it - ride along a straight road, sit well to one side, let the bike stabilise, and release the bars.)

Steve

[onearmedbandit]

If you sit off the side of the bike, why do you need opposite bar pressure from preventing it initiating a turn?

(try it - ride along a straight road, sit well to one side, let the bike stabilise, and release the bars.)

Steve

Because your weight transfer is initiating the countersteer.

[Crisis management]

I think we are missing a valuable part of this discussion...where does one put ones' arse to initiate the turn, at the apex and when exiting?



True believers of bum steering are not amused by the light hearted approach to this most gripping topic, call us anal if you will, but practioners of the technigue feel moved to share the deeply satisfying sensation of higher sphincter control.








Counter steering.....really!

[CookMySock]

Because your weight transfer is initiating the countersteer.

My understanding of "countersteering" is that it is "applying force to the bars in the opposite direction of the required turn." If there is no force applied to the bars, then there is no "countersteering."


Steve

[eelracing]

I think we are missing a valuable part of this discussion...where does one put ones' arse to initiate the turn, at the apex and when exiting?

Do you really need to ask when Urano states it so succinctly ...and I quote

"while the fork is releasing, push the external peg and slide your butt half way off the saddle. turn your internal foot to the inside of the turn, keeping the end of the peg under your footfingers (where the fingers connect to the plant... sorry, i don't know how to explain better it in english...): this will open your inside knee, and put the tank on your external thigh.
now you're ready to turn: so push the internal end of the handle bar and lean the bike. quick. you have to turn."



Keith Code has nothing on this cat.

[onearmedbandit]

My understanding of "countersteering" is that it is "applying force to the bars in the opposite direction of the required turn." If there is no force applied to the bars, then there is no "countersteering."


Steve

Well my understanding (don't know if it carries the same weight as yours as I didn't underline it) is that 'countersteering' is the process the front wheel goes through to acheive a turn, the front wheel actually countersteers the bike through the turn, not the handlebars. The handlebars are just one method of initiating countersteer.

[MSTRS:Me]

Well my understanding (don't know if it carries the same weight as yours as I didn't underline it) is that 'countersteering' is the process the front wheel goes through to acheive a turn, the front wheel actually countersteers the bike through the turn, not the handlebars. The handlebars are just one method of initiating countersteer.

Nope. Countersteer is what must happen to initiate a turn. Once the turn is happening, normal steering is taking place.

In other words, what ever method you use to turn, countersteer WILL happen only when the turn is being started. Thereafter, the wheel is pointing (slightly) towards the direction the bike is turning.

[onearmedbandit]

Nope. Countersteer is what must happen to initiate a turn. Once the turn is happening, normal steering is taking place.

In other words, what ever method you use to turn, countersteer WILL happen only when the turn is being started. Thereafter, the wheel is pointing (slightly) towards the direction the bike is turning.

Yes you're right, I should've been clearer. Countersteer initiates the turn, it doesn't, as I incorrectly put it, take the bike through the turn. Thanks for pointing out the error in my post.

[bogan]

that guy countersteers



that one doesn't

nuff said.

[davebullet]

My understanding of "countersteering" is that it is "applying force to the bars in the opposite direction of the required turn." If there is no force applied to the bars, then there is no "countersteering."


Steve

There are two ways to initiate a counter steer
1. Direct hand force on the bars
2. Pivoting the bike at the steering head

Think about how your body weight shift, causes 2. above. That will bake your noodle.

Therefore your movement generates countersteer. The reason you don't perceive this, is, as you know it take very very little bar movement to initiate a turn. The faster the speed the bigger the mess. Damn, getting confused... the faster the speed, the more subtle the movement required.

Let's break this down.

I violently dump all my weight on the left foot peg
This pushes the bike left of centre - pivoting the bars toward the right around the steering head
The bike therefore is countersteering without my direct bar input

Of course, we naturally want to keep the bike upright, so we apply right hand push force to counter the counter steer and keep the bike straight.

Well, so my cat tells me....

Waving threads have also been known to generate counter steer.

[slofox]

If you have to think about it, you might well be in trouble.

I've said this before - I have no idea how I go around a corner. I see the corner and the bike goes round it..most of the time...I hope...usually...well...apart from that time when...err...never mind

[schrodingers cat]

My question is: They talk about weighting the footpegs to influence the chassis. I can sort of see what they are getting at but wind myself into knots experimenting on the (empty) road.

Can someone please explain in detail the hows/whats/Whyfors of this?
Esp the appropriate timing and sequence of the rider inputs

Thank you Urano and Dave Bullet for actually reading and comprehending what it was I was asking.

Everyone else - EPIC FAIL.

HAving said that, I expected a 90/10 bullshit sense ratio from KB

[slofox]

[QUOTE=bogan;1129751212

nuff said.[/QUOTE]

I prefer the second video...

[bogan]

Thank you Urano and Dave Bullet for actually reading and comprehending what it was I was asking.

Everyone else - EPIC FAIL.

HAving said that, I expected a 90/10 bullshit sense ratio from KB

perhaps a better thread title next time? or even use the search function