Some ideas for VMCC?

[CHOPPA]

I have some ideas for vic club that may help them through the winter series but probably wont because im just a rider and i dont actually have a clue how to run a meeting nore would I like to try. Cause then id have to deal with wankers like me hahahaha.

BTW you guys do a bloody good job as it is trying to deal with crashes, injurys, oil spills and a couple of hundred bike riders in several classes! So this is merely a few suggestions that might be good to think about or just kick to the curb but I know that you all read KB, it should create positive discussion and I wouldnt really know who would be best to send it to.

1, To try make the times in the program run closer maybe you could have 2 dedicated pick up sessions of 15 mins per round of racing. If there is an abulance or oil spill you could move the pick up session to cater for the ambo etc. If there is two pick up sessions per round then the max a rider will have to wait is 3 races. Between the rider and the marshals they should be able to get the bike to a safe place. If no bikes crash then dont stop for the pick up session and thats 15 mins saved

2. There is plenty of time between racing for the riders etc to have lunch so I would imagine that the lunch break is mainly for the marshals etc. Would it be possible to have rostered lunch sessions so the racing could proceed? I guess your prob short staffed as it is so this might be hard but its just an idea

3. Maybe look at running the races like MX where you give each class 12mins plus 1 lap. Either that or cut down the classes like streetstock etc to run fewer laps as they take twice as long as F1 to do a lap this effectively doubles there track time


4. Some classes are made up of a lot of bikes that are eligible to cross enter not all so your never going to keep everyone happy but I think its fair that the classes that are not eligible for cross entry like clubmans sidecars F1 and streetstock etc there races should be closer to the start of the program so if the day is running late they are less likely to be getting bumped. In the meeting yesterday the majority of the F2 bikes were going out for there 5th race of the day when the F1 bikes didnt even get 3

A suggested race order

Sidecars
clubmens
F1
F3
Streetstock
F2
Postclassics

Most postclassic bike can cross enter into F1 F2 or F3
F2 can cross enter into F1
And F3 and cross enter into F2 so even if the racing is running really late most of those guys will still get more racing then anyone else plus they will have atleast 1 race between

Like I said this is just a bit of constructive critisism, im really thankful for all the time you guys put in and if anyone else is commenting on this thread please keep the discussion positive cause if i was doing something for free and getting shit about it I wouldnt take it very well either....

[Str8 Jacket]

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3. Maybe look at running the races like MX where you give each class 12mins plus 1 lap. Either that or cut down the classes like streetstock etc to run fewer laps as they take twice as long as F1 to do a lap this effectively doubles there track time


4. Some classes are made up of a lot of bikes that are eligible to cross enter not all so your never going to keep everyone happy but I think its fair that the classes that are not eligible for cross entry like clubmans sidecars F1 and streetstock etc there races should be closer to the start of the program so if the day is running late they are less likely to be getting bumped. In the meeting yesterday the majority of the F2 bikes were going out for there 5th race of the day when the F1 bikes didnt even get 3

You do realise that for the past 3 years us streetstockers are dropped from from every round that they have run out of time for. We don't pay any less than anyone else and for some reason we have very healthy grids despite this.

What would really help VMCC is NO late entries and perfect weather every round.... Maybe if we cut F1 & F2 we would have less major crashes, just an idea....

Anyway, I am very very grateful for Vic Club and all volunteers for the massive effort they put in every year. Thanks guy's!

[roadracingoldfart]

Nah .... the classes that cause the holdups dont get another session , that will make emm ride sensibly

[quickbuck]

Choppa,
Glad to see you have put your thinking cap on... a little crooked, but all feedback is considered.

Now, i may be speaking out of school a little here.... But here goes.

The idea of a Pick Up session is a good one, however there may well be a few disgruntled riders who have cross entered and need to get their bike back asap to fix it for their next class...
I know it would have destroyed Neils Championships last year when he had a Crash in Race 1 of F3 at round 3 (I think it was) and we needed to get him in ASAP to fix the bike....
He went on to win every other race that day...

If the Pick-up crew said "Stiff Bickies", then there would have been more than a couple of tools flying around the pit garage. As the incident would have penalised him for two championships, not the one.
Yes, just one example from a racer...... There are surely others.

I always ask the rider if they are sweet to stay out if the Crash Crew can't get out on time. Most are sweet with it.
If not, we try our best....

As for Ambulances on the track... They will take their good sweet time.
As a rider who received a severe lower limb injury and blocked the main intersection of SH1 and 3 at 7 pm in the evening, i couldn't give a Fat Rats about the amount of traffic i was preventing from moving...
All I wanted to be was comfortable before we went anywhere.

Same deal for the poor rider who got run over by another bike..... Also the guy who fell coming out of Higgins.....
The second priority is ensure the patient is comfortable.... First being Safety of the Aid...... BUT the patient MUST be stable before the Ambulance drives off.

One of the last priorities is actually getting the racing started again.... I know the racers want that to be first, unless they are the ones in the back of the Ambulance!

Rostered Lunch Sessions wouldn't work, as we would need double the crew..... OR else there would be Marshalls coming in and going out for about 2.5 hours while they all get a feed.

[quickbuck]

Nah .... the classes that cause the holdups dont get another session , that will make emm ride sensibly

Who else can see the Oxymoron in this statement

[Racey Rider]

What about if a group of riders or support team was asked for at briefing, who would be willing to flag marshall the lunch break period, (thus giving the marshalls out on track time to get in to the toilets etc). This would help to keep the day flowing.
Obvisily if those "rider - lunch time flaggies" had unexpected issues with their bike they were sorting they wouldn't be expected to give time flagging.
But if a suitable number were forthcoming at briefing, then 75% of them might be expected to truly be avaliable at lunch time. and the show might go on.

Racey

[quickbuck]

What about if a group of riders or support team was asked for at briefing, who would be willing to flag marshall the lunch break period, (thus giving the marshalls out on track time to get in to the toilets etc). This would help to keep the day flowing.
Obvisily if those "rider lunch time flaggies" had unexpected issues with their bike they were sorting they wouldn't be expected to give time flagging.
But if a suitable number were forthcoming at briefing, then 75% of them might be expected to truly be avaliable at lunch time. and the show might go on.

Racey

You have good intentions,
However, Flag Marshelling is more than just picking up a flag and waving it at random times.

The crew we have on the post have built up their EXPERIENCE over many seasons of racing....
It isn't something that is done after half an hour brief....

It was once, and the short falls are obvious to the riders....

As for a Rider of the Super Quad.... Anybody want a go so I can have a break, then please come forward........ Actually, No! I have as much fun out there as some of the racers...

So next time I will just take my lunch with me, and do some Demo Laps in the Lunch break to entertain the crowd

[yungatart]

You have good intentions,
However, Flag Marshelling is more than just picking up a flag and waving it at random times.

The crew we have on the post have built up their EXPERIENCE over many seasons of racing....
It isn't something that is done after half an hour brief....

It was once, and the short falls are obvious to the riders....

As for a Rider of the Super Quad.... Anybody want a go so I can have a break, then please come forward........ Actually, No! I have as much fun out there as some of the racers...

So next time I will just take my lunch with me, and do some Demo Laps in the Lunch break to entertain the crowd

Just give me some lessons so I can get out there too.
Have to agree with you being entertaining...near PMSL at the "almost highside" you did!

[quickbuck]

Just give me some lessons so I can get out there too.
Have to agree with you being entertaining...near PMSL at the "almost highside" you did!

The good ol' Kiwi Attitude is "A Kid can ride one", however ACC hate that attitude, as they can bite.... and bite BIG!
Will be keen to give you some lessons for next round, will only take 10 minutes to be honest... Just have to be sensible.
Would be good to get you to ride it covering the area between Splash and the Hair Pin....
Anecdotally, it appears to be where bikes touch (and hit fallen Riders, and cause the biggest injuries. Thinking of yesterday (K), the Nationals (JG), and Nicksta last year, here....
You would be the perfect "Janet on the spot" in all those situations.

As for entertaining, one must enjoy their work.... We are here too short to loath it.

[roadracingoldfart]

Who else can see the Oxymoron in this statement

Stop using all your military abbreviations Aaron,
Theres no need to call racers oxygen deprived morons.

[chanceyy]

Choppa,
Glad to see you have put your thinking cap on... a little crooked, but all feedback is considered.

Now, i may be speaking out of school a little here.... But here goes.

The idea of a Pick Up session is a good one, however there may well be a few disgruntled riders who have cross entered and need to get their bike back asap to fix it for their next class...
I know it would have destroyed Neils Championships last year when he had a Crash in Race 1 of F3 at round 3 (I think it was) and we needed to get him in ASAP to fix the bike....
He went on to win every other race that day...

If the Pick-up crew said "Stiff Bickies", then there would have been more than a couple of tools flying around the pit garage. As the incident would have penalised him for two championships, not the one.
Yes, just one example from a racer...... There are surely others.

I always ask the rider if they are sweet to stay out if the Crash Crew can't get out on time. Most are sweet with it.
If not, we try our best....

As for Ambulances on the track... They will take their good sweet time.
As a rider who received a severe lower limb injury and blocked the main intersection of SH1 and 3 at 7 pm in the evening, i couldn't give a Fat Rats about the amount of traffic i was preventing from moving...
All I wanted to be was comfortable before we went anywhere.

Same deal for the poor rider who got run over by another bike..... Also the guy who fell coming out of Higgins.....
The second priority is ensure the patient is comfortable.... First being Safety of the Aid...... BUT the patient MUST be stable before the Ambulance drives off.

One of the last priorities is actually getting the racing started again.... I know the racers want that to be first, unless they are the ones in the back of the Ambulance!

Rostered Lunch Sessions wouldn't work, as we would need double the crew..... OR else there would be Marshalls coming in and going out for about 2.5 hours while they all get a feed.

Well said ..and right on the money .. for those riders who do off or break down they just want to get in the pits as fast as possible to fix their bike & get back out there again

Choppa all discussion is good dude but seriously the ambo's took the time it took and a riders life/injuries take priority over gettting you guys back out there again. If you broke down & was asked to wait til the designated pick up time when you could be in the sheds fixing it, would you not be frustrated & angry .. huge ups to the guys who were stuck out on the track & had a fanstastic attitude about it.. not all are like that ..

We did take the opportunity yesterday to pick up the other bike when the ambos were picking up the riders fr higgens just to save time, our priority is to get out, pick up and check the track for oil & debris as quick as possbile .. we do not muck around as totally aware you guys are itching to get back out there

[CHOPPA]

Well said ..and right on the money .. for those riders who do off or break down they just want to get in the pits as fast as possible to fix their bike & get back out there again

Choppa all discussion is good dude but seriously the ambo's took the time it took and a riders life/injuries take priority over gettting you guys back out there again. If you broke down & was asked to wait til the designated pick up time when you could be in the sheds fixing it, would you not be frustrated & angry .. huge ups to the guys who were stuck out on the track & had a fanstastic attitude about it.. not all are like that ..

We did take the opportunity yesterday to pick up the other bike when the ambos were picking up the riders fr higgens just to save time, our priority is to get out, pick up and check the track for oil & debris as quick as possbile .. we do not muck around as totally aware you guys are itching to get back out there

Dont get me wrong guys, I think you have been doing a great job and things like ambos and crashes are out of your control. I wouldnt like to be stuck in the infield but I still think having designated pick up times would still be a great way to manage the time for races easier. Waiting 30 mins for a pick up is a good punishment, my bike got left on the infield at the nats for 2 hours!! Like i say i dont know how to run an event so i am just chucking a few one sided ideas out there instead of just complaining.

There needs to be something looked at though when the racing for the day is cut in half. We were expecting 30 laps and got 15. Maybe there is too many classes?

[quickbuck]

Dont get me wrong guys, I think you have been doing a great job and things like ambos and crashes are out of your control. I wouldnt like to be stuck in the infield but I still think having designated pick up times would still be a great way to manage the time for races easier. Waiting 30 mins for a pick up is a good punishment, my bike got left on the infield at the nats for 2 hours!! Like i say i dont know how to run an event so i am just chucking a few one sided ideas out there instead of just complaining.

There needs to be something looked at though when the racing for the day is cut in half. We were expecting 30 laps and got 15. Maybe there is too many classes?

I do see what you are saying Re pick up times....
It could well be a tool to massage a little extra time into the programme....

30 laps? Thought the Programme was for 25..... 10 + 10 + 5.
I can see how you would be disappointed if you only got to do half of the amount of laps you were expecting though.
Not too many classes IMHO, Motards weren't there.... And all the rest are Valid. Heck, there was about 5 classes in one race (Posties), yeah, I know some of the numbers in some of the sub classes are small....

2 hours stuck on the infield? That wasn't Manfeild or I hope! I know one that was out there for a while (not 2 hours), and it wasn't yours.... But he wasn't allowed to restart anyway due to crashing over a lap before the red flag...
Hell, I would have thrown you the tool box out of the Quad, and you could have taken your bike back to the pits in pieces in that time......

Oh, Round 2 is a 2 Dayer.... So there shouldn't be anything cut really.
If we have delays on Saturday, the clocks are Reset for Sunday.... and the cumulative time slip won't be as much of a factor.

[Clivoris]

Well done out there yesterday Chop. It's awesome to see you out there on the BMW.
Thanks for your suggestions and the supportive delivery. As always responses from VMCC officials shouldn't be interpreted as decisions by the committee or official statements unless they are identified as such. I'm all for discussion and debate about the meetings we run and how the club operates and we'd be unwise to ignore opinions in any forum. I always think about discussion here on KB as being comparable to any other discussion that occurs outside official club meetings. So, we will discuss these points at our next meeting and in the meantime I will reply with an unoffical opinion.
1. The pick up sessions are done on a when needed basis and the crew go as swiftly as they can. Some days are busier than others. We have tried varioius plans to speed the process but they never seem to pan-out on race-day.
2. Lunch rotation just isn't feasible. We are currently trying to get extra marshals to the track so we can rotate them through some track specific first aid training. It is harder to do than it sounds. Transporting rotated marshals out to the points would also eat time.
3. Timed races have been considered several times over the last couple of years and they are still being considered.
4. Changing race order might be a good idea and we'll have a look at it. I want to comment on a couple of things related this point 4. Providing an opportunity for cross-entry for those classes in which it is possible, is not intended to penalise those who can't cross-enter because of the class they have chosen to race in. It is simply an attempt to give more opportunity to some people. This year we are trying to give everybody more racing but it didn't work out yesterday because of some serious crashes. It's my opinion that it would be a good idea for those classes that get cut from a race schedule in one round, to get priority in future rounds if a similar situation arises. Others on the committee may have a different opinion, but we'll talk about it at the next meeting.
Thanks for the input and we will give it some thought. There are several things that we will be working on to get through as much racing as possible on racedays.

[quickbuck]

As always responses from VMCC officials shouldn't be interpreted as decisions by the committee or official statements unless they are identified as such.

Yeah, that's what I meant by "Speaking out of school", if anybody is unsure of what I mean.....