Some ideas for VMCC?

[yungatart]

The good ol' Kiwi Attitude is "A Kid can ride one", however ACC hate that attitude, as they can bite.... and bite BIG!
Will be keen to give you some lessons for next round, will only take 10 minutes to be honest... Just have to be sensible.
Would be good to get you to ride it covering the area between Splash and the Hair Pin....
Anecdotally, it appears to be where bikes touch (and hit fallen Riders, and cause the biggest injuries. Thinking of yesterday (K), the Nationals (JG), and Nicksta last year, here....
You would be the perfect "Janet on the spot" in all those situations.

As for entertaining, one must enjoy their work.... We are here too short to loath it.

I hear you QB! I have witnessed some nasty spills out on those parts of the track.
Your faith in me is touchiung....My First Aid skills are good, but I'm not so sure of my quad riding abilities.
You are on for a lesson next round...I'll hold you to that, and we will see how I go....

[Clivoris]

Yeah, that's what I meant by "Speaking out of school", if anybody is unsure of what I mean.....

All good man. Just being explicit so people feel free to express an opinion. Talk is good.

[CHOPPA]

All good man. Just being explicit so people feel free to express an opinion. Talk is good.

Im glad my comments have been taken in the constructive way i have suggested them and there is some positive suggestions coming up. Now I have seen some others opinions I am starting to see both sides of the coin. I think that idea Clive has a good idea about the race order depending on who got dropped the previous round etc

Im all for putting the entry fee prices up so maybe you can start paying people to help. $50 per rider per event over 100 riders is 5k you could divvy up between the marshals etc It already costs me $1500 per round so another $50 per round extra if it means we are going to get more riding then thats cheap! Just my tyres for the last round were $1500!!!

[quickbuck]

A little known fact is..... The Chocolate fish, water, LUNCH (Bold for a reason), Peanut slabs etc etc (wink, wink),and lollies, if we can keep Nige away from the jar, all go some way to compensation for the work that has to be done throughout the day.... Yes, the lunch is fantastic... and despite what I said about taking mine out on the Quad with me, it is actually better to come in and have the well cooked meal we have. Correct Fuel for the body is as important as the correct fuel for a bike. (It is more than chocolate.... although you might struggle to see that after what I just wrote).

We are all volinteers at the end of the day.

To be honest, if the whole crew was paid as professionals, then the race fees would be astronomical... and so would my tax bill at the end of the year
Heck this is a club event, not MotoGP. Although we try to be as professional as MotoGP when it comes to the safety of ourselves and others.... No clowning around there.

[cowpoos]

It already costs me $1500 per round

How many laps did you do?? what does a trackday cost you? [or a test day?]

[Peter Smith]

I did feel sorry for the F1 boys that can't cross enter into another class. Being last on the program means they will get the least amount of racing if the meeting gets cut short.
Perhaps they could get street stock bikes as well, with thier lap times (2 minutes plus) they get twice as much track time.

[Deano]

4. Changing race order might be a good idea and we'll have a look at it. I want to comment on a couple of things related this point 4. Providing an opportunity for cross-entry for those classes in which it is possible, is not intended to penalise those who can't cross-enter because of the class they have chosen to race in. It is simply an attempt to give more opportunity to some people. This year we are trying to give everybody more racing but it didn't work out yesterday because of some serious crashes. It's my opinion that it would be a good idea for those classes that get cut from a race schedule in one round, to get priority in future rounds if a similar situation arises. Others on the committee may have a different opinion, but we'll talk about it at the next meeting.

Totally agree on your last point. When I heard that only F3, F2 and F1 were to get their third race I thought that was a bit unfair to the other classes. The point about track time vs laps is always a difficult one.
At the end of the day it's the crashes that cause the hold ups and delays, but that's motorsport - shit happens. It is what it is and I accept it and am happy with it.

[Deano]

I did feel sorry for the F1 boys that can't cross enter into another class. Being last on the program means they will get the least amount of racing if the meeting gets cut short.
Perhaps they could get street stock bikes as well, with thier lap times (2 minutes plus) they get twice as much track time.

Yeah but Streetstock can't cross enter either. And some people can't afford to cross enter - so there are many variables. You could argue that the SBK get more 'jollies' per lap. So it's a hard debate over laps vs time on track vs jollies had etc.

Would stopping cross entering have any impact on the timing on the day - no.

I just can't see any solution that will please everyone all of the time. It is what it is and at the end of the day everyone has a choice.

[chanceyy]

Dont get me wrong guys, I think you have been doing a great job and things like ambos and crashes are out of your control. I wouldnt like to be stuck in the infield but I still think having designated pick up times would still be a great way to manage the time for races easier. Waiting 30 mins for a pick up is a good punishment, my bike got left on the infield at the nats for 2 hours!! Like i say i dont know how to run an event so i am just chucking a few one sided ideas out there instead of just complaining.

There needs to be something looked at though when the racing for the day is cut in half. We were expecting 30 laps and got 15. Maybe there is too many classes?

Discussion is all good Choppa,

from my experience having designated pick up times can cause far more issues .. will take more than 15 mins to get half doz bikes off the track, thanks to Deano for allowing us to use his trailer and a good one it is too we know in a very tight squeeze we can fit 3 bikes on (even f1 bikes) .. thankfully on sat when we had 5 bikes broken down 2 managed to get in under their own steam 2 on trailer & one pushed in as well and that was all in one race. Awesome to have the Quad out there letting us know who is ok & who definately needs a ride .. makes working out the fastest way to clear the track noted before we head out

Personally I think yesterday being first race of the winter series was one out of the box and some days are like that.

Discussions like this can only be healthy to learn and who knows there may be better ways of doing things

The biggest hold up yesterday was the major accident and that obviously took priority over everything else as it totally should. Chop you certainly had a weapon yesterday and awesome racing, I also can understand your desire to race giving you travel a fair way to attend. (as do many others)

Even though I am not a member of vic I have done crash for the last 3 seasons, yes its a social occasion along with ensuring you guys get to enjoy the days you do. Hence I give up my free time to help out n its good to know its appreciated

[woodyracer]

us streetstock riders cant cross enter, our bikes are small and not as tiring to ride [so we need more laps} also our races are always canned.....thats all from me

[Peter Smith]

This is why the National Superbike class is suffering.
Most racers want track time so 600's are the way to go as you can cross enter.
Unless you get a top sponsor and are given a superbike there is just not enough racing available for the big bucks it cost to race a 1000.

These opinions are my own, so are quite worthless. As you were.

[neil_cb125t]

discussion is good - put it down in writting ( old school like, on paper ) and come along to a VMCC meeting!!

[Nicksta]

I like all the ideas put.... i've been on both ends of the argument.... i've cross entered and had only 1 race between my classes... if i was stuck out there after a little low side and missed my next race i'd be gutted.... i've also had the (pleasure?) of holding everyone up while getting scraped off the hairpin... the ambo's did a great job but were in no hurry like i was... the crash crew and ambos and marshals do a stellar job as far as i can see... i dont know how to improve the way things are run to be honest...
I was most happy to see the blue flag being used this round too....
they used to swap the order each round a few seasons ago so everyone got a chance to go first and last... maybe run reverse order next round so F1 goes out first?
I love the idea of time on the track rather than laps.... that makes it fair for most i think?
Sorry i cant make it to the meetings Clive.. but welly is a bit far for me to travel... we appreciate you taking our feedback to the meetings for us

on that note, thanks Vic Club and all the volunteers for a great meeting... gave me the chance to get my racing mojo back

[scracha]

A few points I'd like to make.
1) Yesterday started very late. Yes, I know a further delay was made by it being declared a wet race but hell, it's the winter series so we've got to expect that. I like my beauty sleep like anybody else but can't understand why sign in and riders brief isn't MUCH earlier. We should have bikes lined up to go the moment the track allows it.
2) Rider safety should come first. Ambo's and shifting dangerously parked bikes should be priority.
3) Cross entered bikes needing to be shifted...umm....tough shit.....go easy, don't crash in your "secondary" class or don't cross enter on one bike if your "primary" class is so important.
4) Posties, clubmans, streetstock, mini lites, 125's pay just as much to enter, arrange transport and accommodation as the formula classes. Streetstock in particular often get a $hitty deal.
5) From the initial delay at the day's onset, it was obvious that even without crashes there wasn't a chance in hell of having all these races. The entire field's race lengths should be shorted far sooner (and subsequent races lengthened if we end up well ahead of schedule). This is far better than the current situation of shortening the last 2 or 3 races or even abandoning them. It aint rocket science...if there's a 30 minute delay, then that's about 18 laps so ditch 3 laps from each of the 6 races.
6) Clubmans...I'm not sure of the point of this class any-more and ditching it would give far more track-time for everyone. Give "clubmans" racers a bright green bib or summit and allocate them a class based on their practise time bracket. If that means wobbly ridden R1's in F3 then so be it. If they're clearly not safe/competent then send em off to do more track-days.




VMCC is still the best run series and some of the Nationals rounds are farcical in comparison.

Side-cars next round..am I being stupid or would it be sensible to send em out after an oil spill.

[cowpoos]

This is why the National Superbike class is suffering.
Most racers want track time so 600's are the way to go as you can cross enter.
Unless you get a top sponsor and are given a superbike there is just not enough racing available for the big bucks it cost to race a 1000.

These opions are my own, so are quite worthless. As you were.

Your right...and thats who the crowds want to watch...not mopeds take half the day to do a lap!!!

combine F1,F2 classes together...can run separate points, timing, etc
Then combine 125 and F3
classics
Streetstock and invite buckets [combined]
Clubmans and motards together...Clubmans get a headstart.

Sidecar Steeres and ballast can run the hotdog stand and give scrutineering advice