Some ideas for VMCC?

[slowpoke]

There are some great ideas coming through here but I reckon the way forward is coming up very shortly: MNZ AGM. The Clubs need to sit down with MNZ and develop a PLAN that best develops the sport.

At the moment both ends of the sport are being short-changed. As a result young streetstockers could well get the shits and turn away before they've really begun and no-one can be bothered racing a Superbike.

It sucks, but it's not hard to fix. As a result everyone would eventually benefit.

Edit: I made a written submission to MNZ on this point last week. It would be great to get a few more thoughts/ideas going their way before the AGM.

[wharfy]

A few points I'd like to make.

6) Clubmans...I'm not sure of the point of this class any-more and ditching it would give far more track-time for everyone. Give "clubmans" racers a bright green bib or summit and allocate them a class based on their practise time bracket. If that means wobbly ridden R1's in F3 then so be it. If they're clearly not safe/competent then send em off to do more track-days.

It was not that long ago that I was a clubman racer and the point of it was (I thought) to give people with bikes that were not eligible or not competitive in other classes a place to race. Also A number of clubman racers have no desire to move "up" and I think that is perfectly OK and we should give them a place to race, especially as clubman's serves more than one purpose.

The other is for people to "get their feet wet" in racing to see if they liked it. To "run what ya brung" with the only rule being if you were to fast you got kicked out.
I think clubman's is still valid.

[Trudes]

Come bucket racing if you want crap loads of tracktime......

[Biggles08]

I'm well impressed with this thread on both sides of the coin...the ideas coming forward are very valid for discussion and the responses are in a manner that is non defensive and in fact appear to be appreciated. This is a GREAT sign for the future of motorcycling in the VMCC club as you are all wanting to improve what we currently have EVEN THOUGH IT IS THE BEST RUN CLUB RACING IN NEW ZEALAND IMHO.

Personally I thought the first round of the 2010 winter series was run pretty well despite the delays due to crashes (all in the F2 class too mainly!). Like has already been said, the only improvement I could think of was to get things underway earlier. Ideally there should be bikes on the track as soon as possible in the morning to free up as much time as we can for unseen holdups later in the day. Also, I thought the 'no grid sticker' thing you tried worked well and I think most knew where they were supposed to be.

With the blue flag being used again I think it may pay to explain at riders briefing how to handle being shown this flag. Personally I would like any rider who is being lapped to absolutely DO NOTHING DIFFERENT when shown this flag. All it should be (and should be explained specifically at riders briefing as such) is a warning that fast bikes are coming past any moment so don't freak out and swerve when it happens. This will stop any potential incidences for other bikes about to lap a rider as well.

Anyway, as I said in my opening sentence, I'm totally impressed with VMCC and your attitude to improving the sport...keep up the great work!

[Shaun]

I'm well impressed with this thread on both sides of the coin...the ideas coming forward are very valid for discussion and the responses are in a manner that is non defensive and in fact appear to be appreciated. This is a GREAT sign for the future of motorcycling in the VMCC club as you are all wanting to improve what we currently have EVEN THOUGH IT IS THE BEST RUN CLUB RACING IN NEW ZEALAND IMHO.

Personally I thought the first round of the 2010 winter series was run pretty well despite the delays due to crashes (all in the F2 class too mainly!). Like has already been said, the only improvement I could think of was to get things underway earlier. Ideally there should be bikes on the track as soon as possible in the morning to free up as much time as we can for unseen holdups later in the day. Also, I thought the 'no grid sticker' thing you tried worked well and I think most knew where they were supposed to be.

With the blue flag being used again I think it may pay to explain at riders briefing how to handle being shown this flag. Personally I would like any rider who is being lapped to absolutely DO NOTHING DIFFERENT when shown this flag. All it should be (and should be explained specifically at riders briefing as such) is a warning that fast bikes are coming past any moment so don't freak out and swerve when it happens. This will stop any potential incidences for other bikes about to lap a rider as well.

Anyway, as I said in my opening sentence, I'm totally impressed with VMCC and your attitude to improving the sport...keep up the great work!

Well said again, and I AGREE RE The Blue flag usage education

[scracha]

our right...and thats who the crowds want to watch...not mopeds take half the day to do a lap!!!

Crowds? What crowds? Valid point perhaps at the nationals but this is club racing and half the entries are on the "mopeds" as you politely put it.
Umm...and how do the moped riders graduate on to formula bikes?

combine F1,F2 classes together...can run separate points, timing, etc

Been saying that for years.

Then combine 125 and F3

Perhaps...but they're in with streetstock ATM as entries for F3 with pro-twin mean the class is pretty full.

Streetstock and invite buckets [combined]

Thought they were

Clubmans and motards together...Clubmans get a headstart.

Now you're joking. Last thing I'd want as a clubman racer is a motard cutting me up and I'm sure the last thing motard riders want is wobbly riders on thou's cocking up their race.

It was not that long ago that I was a clubman racer and the point of it was (I thought) to give people with bikes that were not eligible or not competitive in other classes a place to race. Also A number of clubman racers have no desire to move "up" and I think that is perfectly OK and we should give them a place to race, especially as clubman's serves more than one purpose.

The other is for people to "get their feet wet" in racing to see if they liked it. To "run what ya brung" with the only rule being if you were to fast you got kicked out.
I think clubman's is still valid.

How does clubmans racers bungin on a green bib, getting to "run what they brung" and being allocated a suitable class based on their qualifying time NOT meet your above requirements? Only other stipulation is that they are NOT awarded points (as per current situ)? Guys and gals doing say 1.18 on their R1's would be far better/safer/learn more at the back of the F2 pack than at the front of Clubmans. They're still having a race after all?

[cowpoos]

Come bucket racing if you want crap loads of tracktime......

You could invite the streetstockers too??

[cowpoos]

Now you're joking. Last thing I'd want as a clubman racer is a motard cutting me up and I'm sure the last thing motard riders want is wobbly riders on thou's cocking up their race.

Okay...motards get a head start?? most people that have done trackdays and decide to go racing would have experienced interesting and slightly odd racing lines...so would handle motards better than most I would expext?

[unhingedlizard]

Guys and gals doing say 1.18 on their R1's would be far better/safer/learn more at the back of the F2 pack than at the front of Clubmans. They're still having a race after all?

Given that saturday was my first race I dont really feel qualified to enter this debate. However I do strongly agree with this. I feel I learnt a whole lot more at the back of the F1 pack than I would have done at the front of clubmans

[scracha]

Okay...motards get a head start?? most people that have done trackdays and decide to go racing would have experienced interesting and slightly odd racing lines...so would handle motards better than most I would expext?

Now you've really lost the fuckin plot Mr Poos. Lapped riders aside, I wouldn't expect anyone to be out racing who hasn't done at least a couple of trackdays.

[Biggles08]

Now you've really lost the fuckin plot Mr Poos. Lapped riders aside, I wouldn't expect anyone to be out racing who hasn't done at least a couple of trackdays.

The very first race meeting I attended (PMCC Summer Series) we (clubmans) were lined up with Motards at Taupo. The tards were on a grid in front and flagged off first, then we were started. By the end of the race all us front guys in clubmans had cut through the entire field of tards. All worked out ok as by then the field was spread out a bit..

[wharfy]

Given that saturday was my first race I dont really feel qualified to enter this debate. However I do strongly agree with this. I feel I learnt a whole lot more at the back of the F1 pack than I would have done at the front of clubmans

Guys/gals doing consistant 1:18's will be kicked out of clubmans and have to race in F1 or F2 depending on the capacity of their bike

Typically there are 20 - 25 clubman entries per round of the VMCC winter series (source:mylaps - VMCC web site) so it is pretty popular even though it is not a championship class.

[crazy man]

thay should alow standard 750 twins in f3 like ducatis should be very fair against hoted up sv 650s?

[Kickaha]

thay should alow standard 750 twins in f3 like ducatis should be very fair against hoted up sv 650s?

they are http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/down...Appendix_B.pdf

Rule 1.3 Twin cylinder four stroke up to 750cc

4.3 Twin cylinder four strokes shall be limited as follows:
a) Up to 500cc, no restrictions apart from fuel as above.
b) Over 500cc, two valves per cylinder, are restricted to 750cc and fuel as above,
over 640cc must not be water-cooled.
c) Over 500cc three or more valves per cylinder, are restricted to 650cc and fuel as above.
Additionally these machines must retain the standard OEM air box/cleaner assembly in
its entirety, air filter element and carburettor (with the exception of removable jets or
throttle body, including injector).

[GSVR]

thay should alow standard 750 twins in f3 like ducatis should be very fair against hoted up sv 650s?

I don't like that idea. Just get rid of F3 and have a Bears class but ban V4 Apriliai