Some ideas for VMCC?

[FROSTY:Me]

On the suggestions front. I really like the idea that if an incident is severe enough to cause a red flag then that race gets moved to the back of the program or of course if 50% race distance covered the race is called. Generally theres a few minutes delay doing pickups etc.That gives the next class time to be gridded up on the dummy grid.
I don't feel an innocent class should miss out on racing because one particular class is crash ridden on the day.

[Deano]

On the suggestions front. I really like the idea that if an incident is severe enough to cause a red flag then that race gets moved to the back of the program or of course if 50% race distance covered the race is called. Generally theres a few minutes delay doing pickups etc.That gives the next class time to be gridded up on the dummy grid.
I don't feel an innocent class should miss out on racing because one particular class is crash ridden on the day.

But innocent racers within those 'crash ridden classes' should miss out instead ?

[crazy man]

lm talkiing 4 valves water cooled but standard engine just race fiber fairing. realy l would of perferd stock sv 650 er 650 engines vs 400 4s hoted up as been real fair.

[crazy man]

there is no bears at the vic club racing if we did it would fix all lol

[FROSTY:Me]

But innocent racers within those 'crash ridden classes' should miss out instead ?

No system is perfect. But why should a fully subscribed class who havent had crashes have to miss out on racing because of a class that has had crashes? I feel it has a triple positive. 1) the class becomes self policing 2) an innocent party in a crash has the opertunity to fix their bike 3) Faster turnover between races.
Im in no way saying I'm right here just calling it as I see it

[Biggles08]

No system is perfect. But why should a fully subscribed class who havent had crashes have to miss out on racing because of a class that has had crashes? I feel it has a triple positive. 1) the class becomes self policing 2) an innocent party in a crash has the opertunity to fix their bike 3) Faster turnover between races.
Im in no way saying I'm right here just calling it as I see it

You are not right Frosty....sorry....hehe

The F2 class traditionally has probably the worst crash rate at meetings and I think that is a fair reflection on how competitive the class is...no less or no more. Your suggestion really has no 'self policing' qualities about it...still the same amount of crashes would occur in F2 if this was enforced.

[cowboyz]

Your right...and thats who the crowds want to watch...not mopeds take half the day to do a lap!!!

combine F1,F2 classes together...can run separate points, timing, etc
Then combine 125 and F3
classics
Streetstock and invite buckets [combined]
Clubmans and motards together...Clubmans get a headstart.

Sidecar Steeres and ballast can run the hotdog stand and give scrutineering advice

qualify everything I say below by saying I talking out my arse.... but...

Thinking the difficulty with combining that many classes is I thought you are only allowed 35 bikes on the track... so that limits numbers some what.

and dont trash clubmans just yet cause I just getting into it! (soon)

[FROSTY:Me]

You are not right Frosty....sorry....hehe

The F2 class traditionally has probably the worst crash rate at meetings and I think that is a fair reflection on how competitive the class is...no less or no more. Your suggestion really has no 'self policing' qualities about it...still the same amount of crashes would occur in F2 if this was enforced.

And again why should everybody else have to suffer?
I find myself empathising with str8jacket and the 150ss/250ss guys. Why should they miss out on a race because F2 was a crashfest?
Actually Given that the entire intent of 150ss is to be the learner class for younguns they to my way of thinking should NEVER get bumped out of the program.

[roogazza]

He's an Idea, get hold of the Vic club guys that used to organise the Shell Two Wheeler meets of the early eighties. I don't remember any problems if they had any in those days? They were great meets and I think we only got two races each(maybe three)for the day.
I don't recall any cross dressing and I don't think anyone was that concerned. Two races not enough in a day?
Maybe the number of crashes is down to it being a winter series, cold/damp and learner racers ?
Hutt Club ran meets at Levin in the 70's and we got 5 or 6 races each in the day, what are you people doing wrong ?
Is it just the crashing messing with the programme or are there too many classes? G.

[lukemillar]

I definitely thing 3 races per class on a 1 day meeting is too much. When I saw the programme on Saturday, I knew that was never going to happen! If a day ran like clockwork, didn't rain and no-one crashed you might just squeeze it in! However, as Rnd 1 showed, we were already behind schedule at 9:30am, purely from giving people 20 mins to change tyres because of the weather.

You could also weight the number of laps per race based on the rough pace of the group. For instance - F1, F2, F3 can run 2x 10 lap races whereas Clubmans, Streetstock etc. can run 2x 8 lap races. End of the day, it is just about managing time and that isn't going to happen if you jam pack the schedule from the start.

[Biggles08]

And again why should everybody else have to suffer?
I find myself empathising with str8jacket and the 150ss/250ss guys. Why should they miss out on a race because F2 was a crashfest?
Actually Given that the entire intent of 150ss is to be the learner class for younguns they to my way of thinking should NEVER get bumped out of the program.

Your right about most of that Frosty but my point is the racers in F2 shouldn't suffer anymore either just because the class may have tighter racing and sometimes ends in a 'crashfest' as you put it. You say 'everybody else' as if F2 are the heathens...the fact is it is merely another class for motorcycle racing and we still ride on two wheels. Some guys in F2 crash more than others so why should the rest of F2 suffer for these guys? That's my only point...I'm not suggesting other classes should suffer more than F2 either...just putting you straight regarding your totalitarian suggestion towards 'one class' that's all.

Also like it or hate it...spectators love crashes! ;-) You could argue we are the entertainers!

[Biggles08]

I definitely thing 3 races per class on a 1 day meeting is too much. When I saw the programme on Saturday, I knew that was never going to happen! If a day ran like clockwork, didn't rain and no-one crashed you might just squeeze it in! However, as Rnd 1 showed, we were already behind schedule at 9:30am, purely from giving people 20 mins to change tyres because of the weather.

You could also weight the number of laps per race based on the rough pace of the group. For instance - F1, F2, F3 can run 2x 10 lap races whereas Clubmans, Streetstock etc. can run 2x 8 lap races. End of the day, it is just about managing time and that isn't going to happen if you jam pack the schedule from the start.

Well put lukemiller...and I must admit I thought the program was a bit ambitious too!

[FROSTY:Me]

Your right about most of that Frosty but my point is the racers in F2 shouldn't suffer anymore either just because the class may have tighter racing and sometimes ends in a 'crashfest' as you put it. You say 'everybody else' as if F2 are the heathens...the fact is it is merely another class for motorcycle racing and we still ride on two wheels. Some guys in F2 crash more than others so why should the rest of F2 suffer for these guys? That's my only point...I'm not suggesting other classes should suffer more than F2 either...just putting you straight regarding your totalitarian suggestion towards 'one class' that's all.

Also like it or hate it...spectators love crashes! ;-) You could argue we are the entertainers!

I havent been to a vic club meeting in years so I'm not pickin on any class. but logic to me is that if its a red flag crash situation then move that race to back of program.

[Biggles08]

No system is perfect. But why should a fully subscribed class who havent had crashes have to miss out on racing because of a class that has had crashes? I feel it has a triple positive. 1) the class becomes self policing 2) an innocent party in a crash has the opertunity to fix their bike 3) Faster turnover between races.
Im in no way saying I'm right here just calling it as I see it

You are picking on the 'class' that crashes by putting them to the back of the program and trying to 'police' a class because they have had crashes. That's picking on a class Frosty. At the end of the day anyone can crash and unfortunately its part of our sport...trying to penalize a class of bikes because there have been crashes in it makes as much sense as grounding your child for 2 weeks because they hurt themselves while playing outside on the swings...they didn't mean to hurt themselves, it just happens sometimes so we have to manage it when it does!

[ajturbo]

hey Scracha.... i DO LIKE point number "6".....